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Convincing people to use apps such as Signal is hard work and most can't be convinced. But with those you manage to convince, do you feel happy to talk to them on Signal?

The problem is these people use Signal on Android/IOS which can't be trusted and IOS has recently been in the news for having a backdoor. And it has also been revealed that american feds are able to read everyone's push notifications and they do this as mass surveillance.

So not only do you have to convince people to use Signal which is an incredibly difficult challenge. You also have to convince them to go into settings to disable message and sender being included in the push notifications. And then there's the big question is the Android and IOS operating systems are doing mass surveillance anyway. And many people find it taking a lot of effort to type on the phone so they install Signal on the computer which is a mac or Windows OS.

So I don't think I feel comfortable sending messages in Signal but it's better than Whatsapp.

These were some thoughts to get the discussion started and set the context.

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[-] autonomoususer@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago

They funded encryption too. Why don't you stop using that?

[-] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Wait until they find out who started the internet. Or who runs GPS satellites

[-] antmzo220@lemmy.ml 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Wait until they find out who started the internet. Or who runs GPS satellites

And they never spy on people or track them using the Internet or GPS signals?

Why did you think this was a good argument for supporting privacy?

[-] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

People think that govt developed = bad. It's a consideration for sure but if anything govt developed is so hopelessly and inherently compromised then many of the measures discussed here are useless for privacy already because they almost all run through internet, a govt created system. Even TOR. But yet here we are anyway because they are still useful systems.

Governments pour tons of time money and effort into secure communication, and not for profit, and we can still take advantage of that advancement with some caution.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

History shows that you shouldn’t automatically trust encryption technologies from the US government.

[-] autonomoususer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Just throw your whole computer out the window.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

There is plenty of space between absolute trust and its contrapositive.

[-] autonomoususer@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Why don't you fork Signal? Then, you'll know the glowies aren't funding you.

Which lines its libre software source code are malicious? Know what libre software is?

[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 2 points 17 hours ago

Totally pointless since the chokepoint is Signal's US-domiciled back-end server, and Signal doesn't allow you to self-host it.

[-] autonomoususer@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago
[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 3 points 16 hours ago

That says nothing about what they actually run on their server, or who they allow to look at their database. Most importantly, you can't self-host signal anyway, so posting the source code for something you can't verify that they even run, is pointless. They went a whole year one time without updating that repo, until the open source community made an uproar about it, and signal was forced to start updating it again.

[-] autonomoususer@lemmy.world 0 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

can't self-host signal

False, read its software license, linked above.

[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 3 points 16 hours ago

You can't self-host it. People asked for this feature, and were harshly turned down by the signal devs. If you don't believe me, then try it yourself.

[-] autonomoususer@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

What do you use?

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 0 points 16 hours ago

Reason: Disinformation

I don’t think you’re aware of who wrote Lemmy any more than you were aware of who admins lemmy.ml.

[-] autonomoususer@lemmy.world -1 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Even worse, both of you should know better! See its software license cited above.

Spreading funding FUD tells us nothing about whether its license or source code is malicous, just makes people apathetic to privacy.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

Okay, be a dumbass. Why don’t you fork yourself?

[-] autonomoususer@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Will people read these comments and leave WhatsApp or will they stop caring about privacy?

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago

Reason: Trolling

Good luck with that 😂

this post was submitted on 20 Sep 2024
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