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[-] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 55 points 2 months ago

the initial argument only applies to Utopian Socialism anyway – fighting for your personal interest is exactly the point of communism, destroying all the enemies of the working class

[-] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's not "destroying all the enemies of the working class" but "destroying classes so we end up being working class". The idea (as I understand it) is that working class is the one that creates things while bourgeois class is only a parasite. So everyone should be creating something and not sucking the blood of others.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago

Close. Neither case is fully correct

Communisn is the doctrine of the conditions of the abolition of the Proletariat

-Engels, The Principles of Communism

The bourgeoisie doesn't create value, the proletariat does, correct, but dogmatic class warfare is anti-Marxist. Class warfare must service the overthrow of the Bourgeoisie via smashing the Bourgeois state, and replacing it with a Proletarian state that withers away as it untangles class contradictions. You cannot create Communism by killing all of the bourgeoisie, but by wresting their power as Socialism emerges from Capitalism.

[-] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

Maybe I didn't explain myself correctly. For the bourgeoisie class to disappear it's not needed to kill anyone. Only take off the power they have and make them work as proletarians.

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