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[-] davepleasebehave@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

do you think Hezbollah would exist in the same way if it was British people colonizing the land?

Is it an anti Jewish organisation or an anti colonial organisation?

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 3 weeks ago

So this question has two answers depending on the details. If British people came and did everything Jews did in the Middle East and history went in generally the same way, then yeah organizations like Hezbollah or Hamas would exist in pretty much the same way, and in that Hezbollah case they'd have probably organized Jewish volunteers to fight against British occupation (referring to their multiethnic volunteer force). This premise is of course historically unrealistic for many reasons, but it better captures the spirit of the question.

Now for the more historically plausible answer: If the Brits came and created a non-setter colony like they usually do, there'd of course be resistance that would start peaceful and turn armed, but it wouldn't be with the same intensity as what we see in Palestine and Lebanon today because Britain was in general a much milder colonizer than Israel is. The only place where the British did anything comparable to what Israel is doing was Ireland and you know what the Irish did about that.

Is it an anti Jewish organisation or an anti colonial organisation?

Like most paramilitary organizations in the region it's both, because Middle Eastern people generally don't think much beyond Jew = Zionist = enemy, but they're much more fundamentally an anti-colonial organization. The anti-Jewish part comes on later as the result of faulty reasoning. I mean let's face it, who even has the free time on their hands to create a paramilitary on par with a small nation's military because they hate Jews? Seeing people who happen to be Jews raping and murdering your period, pillaging and stealing your land and generally commiting atrocities is a much better motivator. This goes for Palestinian paramilitary organizations too, but for Hezbollah specifically remember that—while they've evolved a lot beyond their initial stage—their mandate was and still is to protect Lebanese land from aggression.

[-] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win -3 points 3 weeks ago
[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

You can tell zios are honest and decent people by the sincere and open way in which they express their viewpoints. \s \s \s

[-] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win -5 points 3 weeks ago

They could be worse. They could be anti-zios.

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 3 points 3 weeks ago

Anti-Zionism is the default status, same as anti-fascism is.

[-] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win -1 points 3 weeks ago
[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 3 points 3 weeks ago

Being a basic human with empathy and not a nationalistic piece of shit.

Nationalism and racism are taught behaviours.

[-] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win -1 points 3 weeks ago

So, no supporting evidence. Got it. 😂

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 0 points 3 weeks ago

Are you literally this obtuse?

First off it was a throw-away comment, not a peer reviewed scientific study.

Secondly Zionism is clearly not the default behaviour for humans. Its existed for a few decades and only followed by a few people.

[-] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win -2 points 3 weeks ago

I'm not the one arguing indefensible claims here. Nor am I insulting you as tempting and easy as it may be. Face it, RL does not share your baseless ideals or you wouldn't be doubling down with no support.

[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 0 points 3 weeks ago

There is zero percent possibility that the default of human nature is to be a Zionist.

This is the most ridiculous idiotic thing I’ve had to argue on Lemmy to date.

[-] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 1 points 3 weeks ago

LMAO the denial. So idiotic you can't even back it up at all. You know you're talking out your ass with a "throw-away comment" but you can't admit you got caught being so f'ing wrong.

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