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most of which is default-able. The rest is probably going to be paid back inevitably, due to ukraine receiving a massive industry boom post war for shit like drones and stuff.
Not to mention the rebuilding of the economy.
The post-war part is another different thing. But telling someone that's on fire "pay me for putting the flames down" is inhuman.
we're not telling them, i think ukraine is even asking for them at some points. Ukraine agrees to the loans, and like i said, i think some amount of the money is default-able loans. So it's not actually "debt sharking" here.
If it's an ally and NATO is defending human rights and democracy (I know, I know) it should be "free" for Ukraine.
If ukraine is an ally, i understand that to be fairly recent, prior to zelenskyy the president of Ukraine was a russian plant. I believe he was voted in about 2014 or so.
NATO is primarily an alliance between members of the alliance, of which ukraine is not a member. Protecting members outside of NATO is not really inside the purview of NATO as an organization, although protecting border states is politically advantageous.
anyway, i tried looking for some data and didn't have much luck, but even thinking about it from a strategic position it wouldn't make sense to loan shark ukraine here. Worst case scenario they collapse after winning due to the loans, and then russia takes over, or they collapse during the war, and we have to deal with getting that money back, because it's marked as a loan, which wouldn't really make any sense.
I think the idea is relatively simple, it provides a way for ukraine to borrow money, assuming they win it provides them a way to pay it back or default on it, and that allows ukraine to stay relatively neutral. Just giving free money to ukraine is probably less than ideal.
From the research i did do, i couldn't find anything talking about how it would be problematic, it was mostly talking about numbers which makes sense, so i guess that checks out, but i would've been surprised if nobody had reported on that either.