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Jill Stein Is Killing the Green Party
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Yes that was hyperbolic, I see these posts on my feed on a daily basis, and it's filled with dozens of rehashed comments bickering about the validity of third parties. It's getting far more attention here than it deserves when there are tons of actual, real political issues in the world.
I'll be the first to say that I hate both major parties, but I have the political literacy to understand that the way to fix it is not by voting for someone with questionable ties to Russia that seems to pop up out of nowhere every four years.
If you guys actually cared to solve the issues you'd be campaigning to first and foremost get electoral reform to make third parties even remotely viable instead of trying to work within this extremely broken, barely democratic system. You'd also be doing work at a local level where real change can be made to movement rather than just throwing a candidate out for president every election. You won't do that though because you're all a bunch of weird idealists with fantastical views of how politics work. I'm interested in following news thats grounded in reality
Disagree. I'm happy to see it getting discussed more. And by more people than just me! :)
What makes you think we don't? I bring it up all the time with my elected officials.
I'm not one of "those guys" advocating specific 3rd party candidates. Sadly, none of the current choices are viable.
I'm just pointing out your overreaction, which is just as much of a distraction from the REAL issues you pretend to care about.
Yeah, because mentioning 3rd parties means that you don't care about anything else at all. What a galaxy brained take 🙄
That's exactly what I'm doing, depending on how wide your definition of "campaigning" is. Just because I correct your hysteria doesn't mean that you have to create a strawman of me that totes loves Jill Stein or whatever 🙄
In my case, "local" is part of Denmark, a country with a much better election system. Doesn't mean that I can't have knowledge and opinions about US politics and the kinds of absolutist "us or them" language that bears some of the responsibility for the duopoly surviving in spite of what the vast majority of the population wants.
Also, just FYI: assuming that everyone is able to be active in local politics beyond online discussions reeks of privilege and ableism.
Again lumping me in with a group to which I don't belong.
Aaand again. Are you going for some kind of record in strawmen and jumping to conclusions? Because if so, you're doing an excellent job so far.
Me too. I'm also interested in discussing the news using language grounded in reality, rather than weird hyperbole making a small minority out to be a dominant force and tormentor ruining everything.
As much as I’m tempted, I’m not interested in getting to a debate with you about this. For someone mad about me ‘jumping to conclusions’ you sure made a whole lot of assumptions about me that aren’t really true.
Whether my rant was directed at you, or one of the handful of other Jill Stein nutjobs on here doesn’t really matter, I’ve said my piece.
Have a great day.
They’re not even American, yet telling us how we should vote. That’s about as bad faith as it gets.
Which ones specifically? I did you the courtesy of being specific about how and where you were wrong about me. If you're gonna go "no you!", it would behoove you to do the same rather than being as vague as a teenager posting on Facebook on a bad day.
I specifically informed you that I don't consider any of the third party candidates viable and have not said anything to the contrary to indicate that I support Stein in any way. I don't, for the record.
Because you don't have any counterarguments. You just lie, misrepresent, and demand that everyone believes you. Which seems to be working in this case since it's taking place in a pro-DNC echo chamber almost half as tribalist as the fascist ones.
Now I have too. Have the day you deserve.
This has to be some kind of chatgpt essay blend. How are you able to write so much based on so little? All your comments are like walls of text responses to like one liners. I just don't get it. How? How do y'all have so much time on your hands???
Just because someone replies with something you don’t like or agree with doesn’t mean they’re chatgpt, friend. Some of us are just educated, can read and write well, and have our own thoughts to share. 🙂
Hooooo boiiiiiii
ok?
Nop nop nop. Not doing it. Not taking the bait. Nooooopppeeee. Byeeeeeeeee
Not sure what that means, but ok. Take care!
I like to be thorough and exact when refuting misinformation. The point by point format helps me organize my thoughts better and also makes it more clear to the reader what exactly I'm talking about.
That you see this and think LLM says more about your own sloppiness than it does about my format choices and tendency towards verbosity.
When I have something important to say, I choose my words and format differently than for jokes or casual conversation.
If I don't, I end up having to take much LONGER over several comments to clarify when someone inevitably misunderstands due to my being too vague.
I remember a convo we had a while back. I don't mean to psychoanalyze but I recall all your responses being filled with very loaded language kinda how you're doing here.
It's obvious the person you are responding to in this thread is not particularly keen on the convo but you come at them very charged. I don't know, maybe don't take it so personal. I get that they lumped you in with a group you probably don't identify with but it's not worth the battle. Just my 2 € thoughts. All this online debate only leads to misery.
Yeah, you're probably right about that. Getting personally offended and worked up by whatever imprecise to false statements I read, including ones with no malice intended, IS a thing I'm trying to do less.
I grew up with undiagnosed ADHD, so not being understood or people not making an effort to understand and make themselves understood is a major trigger for me because it used to happen so much to me and I've had to work so hard to get better at it.
That's mostly a ME issue that I need to be better at taking down several notches, though. Thanks for pointing it out in a good way rather than wielding it like a cudgel that I would then overreact to as well 😄❤️
Hey. Interesting. Did you ever do an evaluation for ADHD? I'm 38 and I started the process last week. I'm still waiting for the final interview. I don't know what will come of in but it will be nice to have some clarity.
Yeah, got the diagnosis at age 20. It was a huge relief and help to be able to better understand myself, and better explain to others why some things are more difficult to me than most people for no obvious reason 🙂
My best friend got the diagnosis at your age 3 years ago and it's helped him a lot too! I hope it will for you as well, whether yours turns out tp be ADHD too or something else 🙂
Thanks man. I appreciate it!🙂
I'm not and would thank you to not employ offensive ableist stereotypes.
Rude.
If you know you know
Being not from America, you have NO PLACE telling people how they should vote. And no one has the obligation to take nothing you say seriously at all.
Never told anyone how to vote, so you can pack that strawman away.
We have a saying over here: when America sneezes, Europe catches a cold.
We live in an interconnected world where what the world's foremost superpower does profoundly effects literally billions of people.
There's nothing weird about a European being interested in and knowledgeable about American politics.
Dismissing my input based on geography alone ON THE INTERNET makes it a good thing that no one has the obligation to take anything a fool like you says seriously at all either.
Riiiiiight. You do know your comment history is public, right? Because aside from the metric fuckton of misinformation that is removed when you post, you CLEARLY have an anti-democrat and pro socialist agenda to push on an election that you have nothing to do with.
Go sit down. When Denmark becomes relevant to our election, we’ll call you.
Yep and I stand by it.
What's that even supposed to mean? Could you try reformatting it into a syntax readable by humans?
Nope. Just correcting objectively inaccurate statements where applicable and expressing my opinion in other cases. What agenda are you imagining me to be pursuing?
You first. Must be exhausting to be so pompous with so little understanding to lean on, so you must need a rest more than I do.
If you're the one doing the honors, I won't pick up.
Don’t care bud. It’s our election. Your opinion is irrelevant to me. Didn’t read any of that.
But you still cared enough to feel that you had to tell me?
If you think that your opinion of our election should be relevant to us- then you must advocate for the fact that my opinion of your opinion is also relevant.
Or you can stop posting about it.
And nice little meme there bud, but 2007 called and even they think that shit is cringy.
Do you know what an ad hominem fallacy is? I bet you think you do, but since you keep committing them, I'm going to remind you:
An ad hominem fallacy is when you completely ignore the argument in favor of illogically focusing on the person making the argument or an irrelevant aspect of that person. It's frowned upon by people who like to argue logically and it's uncivil to boot.
Now back to our regularly scheduled programming!
Nope. Whether I'm from Denmark, Denver, or Djibouti has no bearing on the soundness of my arguments.
Your irrelevant feelings about the fact that I can read and form opinions about conditions without showing up in person doesn't even qualify as an opinion.
It's just a knee jerk xenophobic reaction or an excuse to keep yammering at me without saying anything.
Nope. You're not the boss of me. You don't decide what I can or cannot do.
Late 90s called, they want their "x called, they want their y back" format back. Careful you don't drown in your own hypocrisy.
I thought I dismissed you. Your opinion is irrelevant to me. If the topic comes to the 2025 election in Denmark, you’re welcome to summarily dismiss me when I start telling people who they should support- or if I spread misinformation about it.
Yeah, your mod logs show how much misinformation and propaganda you spread here.
Still laboring under delusions of grandeur, I see. You're still not the boss of me.
Which only makes it all the more weird that you keep reiterating it like a mantra 😄
Again, never told anyone who to support. Speaking of, what's that agenda I "clearly" have? If it's so clear, it should be easy for you to say what you think I'm trying to achieve.
Which is none. I'm aware that twice a biased mod has called a comment of mine misinformation in their mod log note, but in both cases the mod was upset about me saying something objectively true that they didn't like.
Such as the fact that insisting on knowingly supplying weapons with which to commit genocide in spite of the people you're supposed to represent urging you to stop makes you an accomplice to genocide.
So what misinformation do you think I've been spreading? Tell me one objectively false thing from my mod log or my other post and comment history. Go ahead.
Right… lol. How did I not predict that you would respond accusing mid bias.
Look, I get that cognitive dissonance is a bitch for a lot of people, but trust me when I say this. The dinner you lead to co trol it, the better everyone will be.
I’m ending this now. I’ve given you enough rope and you performed as well as predicted.
Probably because you didn't check before automatically assuming that the mods were right as if having authority makes them infallible?
This you?
Somehow I doubt it 🙄
Yup, that picture is DEFINITELY you.
May your day be as pleasant as you've been throughout this conversation.
Neat picture! But- and you need to trust me when I say this, I’m still not reading your rhetoric. So stop wasting your time.
You clearly are 😄
At this point you've lied so much and showed so limited understanding of ANYTHING that trusting you on a cloudless sky being blue is a risky endeavor, let alone a statement where you have clear incentive to lie or at the very least distort truth. So nah, won't be trusting you.
Might help if you finally answered at least one of these two completely straightforward questions:
What is my “perfectly clear“ agenda?
What misinformation have I spread?
Neat! I’m clearly under your skin now. Wasn’t my intention as I only wanted to call you out for your propaganda, but we can agree that it’s a bonus.
Still not reading your shit. Hope you’re not putting forth too much effort in it.
More projection, lies, and evasion 😄
You really should learn some new tricks if you want to fool anyone with your whole rubber and glue act or at least stop sounding like a Republican 😄
Hey. I’m going to block you now. You’re irrelevant to any discussion I could find myself in here as most of it is political in nature. I don’t care what you have to say about anything.
I’ve told you this to save you the time and energy, and you are clearly unhinged and cannot accept this.
I hate blocking people, but you’re starting to creep me out. Seriously.
Aww baby Republican-logic can't take the heat anymore? So sad 😭
Yeah, because the only way to know about politics is physical proximity. Which is why you have never expressed an opinion regarding Palestine, Russia, North Korea, or US states you haven't visited. Right? 🙄
More projection and puffing yourself up 😄
Says the weirdo who can't tell the difference between GPS coordinates, news articles, and political analysis 😆