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Europe’s ‘Volt’ parties look to counter the continent’s nationalist turn
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are they socialist? if they arent then good luck winning people back with a fundamental misunderstanding of whats wrong.
They were in favour of UBI here, apart from that no afaik. They are also in favour of establishing a lobbyist registry for more transperency in national politics, which I quite liked.
Wikipedia says center/center-left. But I've met a Volt member, and they were very neo-liberal.
"center" usually comes to mean "right" these days yeah
I mean, most people aren't socialists. In Europe there's usually a hard left option already, and it gets fairly few votes.
Should I pick a European hard-left party and post it's actual seat count, or is that irrelevant to the point you're trying to make?
Ah, by "socialism" you mean, like, Norway. On Lemmy people usually mean the USSR when they say that. I think OP meant socialist like the USSR.
Most of the Volt platforms I've looked at are pretty pro-welfare.
I mean, the actual historical definition of socialism is "collective ownership of the means of production", and the actual historical definition of communism is "a classless, stateless society that will inevitably follow capitalism, according to Marx". The USSR only ever claimed to be working towards communism, and referred to themselves as "socialist".
Nowadays the words can mean something different, depending on who uses them.
If you mean you were using the historical definitions, a social safety net is not a means of production. Government-run factories or mines would be socialist, although some purists insist that it's not socialist until there's no private ownership left at all.
If you mean you were using the popular definitions, sure, people like government services. Volt also likes government services.
You're right, it's not worth it to argue about definitions any more.
USSR wasn't socialist in any way, are you here just to troll?
How have you been on Lemmy for over a year, and still not run into people who think it was?
(For my part, I think words have the definition we give them)
The first person?
In history?
Or do you mean the thing about words?
Ah, well you're actually fairly new. There will be more, and ones who personally strongly believe it.
Here's a graph of activity by instance. Hexbear, lemmygrad and lemmy.ml will all ban you for slagging off Stalin, and together they're maybe a third of it. It's because the devs are in that crowd.
Again, I just try to use words people will understand. My opinion of the USSR is that it was a state existing roughly between 1920 and 1990.
Cool. Just join an instance that block their ass then.
Or just try not to talk to them about it, which is what I do.
Yeah but you obviously think about them soooooo
A bit, when it comes up. I see no problem here.