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You tell me where you live, I'll break into your house and steal half your stuff.
Instead of fighting back or calling the police, we can negotiate so I can have half your stuff. Sound good?
I dunno, do you have nuclear weapons that could cause the apocalypse?
Countries aren't people. The scale the work on is much greater.
Oh okay, so if I held enough people hostage I can have your stuff? Good to know...good to know...
Literally yes.
Literally retarded
You've got an important word there. Scale.
Countries aren't people but they're made up of them. It wouldn't take nuclear weapons to annihilate your household.
Russia has invaded Ukraine's home and tried to lay claim. Now you're suggesting they give up what was taken from them to satisfy your desire for peace.
The analogy the other person used is fair. In another analogy Russia is nothing more than a bully. We've long moved past the time where the advice we give is to just give the bully your money so they don't beat you up and take it anyway.
There is no such thing as a society, only individuals and families. Very true Maggie!
No, countries are qualitatively different from simply "lots of people"
Bullies also don't have nuclear weapons.
Stop comparing people to countries. The scale makes it so absurd, because nuclear weapons could end the god damn world.
Uh, yes. Yes they do.
Bullies have nukes? Damn, what are parents giving to their kids these days?
You were using an analogy where a bully threatens to beat you up and take your money.
That's nothing like the current situation. The current situation is a nuclear armed nation is willing to wage an endless war and we're throwing money and bombs and tanks at the problem trying to make it go away. You're comparing small scale things to nuclear scale things and it's really just absurd.
No, I wasn't.
No, it's not.
No, I'm not.
Well what's that then!?
My quote, not theirs. Also Russia is a bully. Similar to the kind that takes lunch money, but on a much larger scale
You can't just increase the scale and expect things to stay the same!
If those nukes are ever touched it's the end of the fucking world.
And if a home invader with commercially available arms so decided it's the end of your family. That's how scale works.
But you don't give in to a bully to avoid violence. That's how you get more people/countries bullied.
This is not intended as a threat of violence. This is an analogy to make a point that should be obviousSomething someone else wrote.
By your logic, no one should stand up to the US either because we have enough glowy ordinance to turn Russia, China, and Iran into glass and have enough nukes to end all life a million times over.
There's a gulf of difference between standing up to America (or Russia) vs going to war with them. Duh?
The thing with nukes is that it’s suicide, and they know it. So they just use the threat of it to get whatever they want, in the hopes that the people in charge are like you and will just flop over to their demands whenever they dangle the threat.
Do you actually still think Russia is a 100% rational actor?
So, how would a peace treaty work with a non rational actor?
Let him think he won.