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submitted 4 days ago by Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

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You'd have to be willfully ignorant of context, history and systemic power dynamics to think misandry is a threat to men in the same way misogyny is a threat to... well, everyone.

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[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 23 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Childcare workers are literally paid less than minimum wage in my country.

And it always cracks me up when men complain about not being chosen as much for jobs in elementary and high schools.

It's like, okay, first of all I see plenty of male teachers around, and second of all even if that is true, men are more likely to get a job as a University teacher or in higher education than women, you know, the only teaching jobs where you are paid more than minimum wage.

[-] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 13 points 4 days ago

Childcare workers are literally paid less than minimum wage in my country.

Oh yeah, absolutely. If you zoom out even a tiny bit, men still come out ahead.

[-] WalrusDragonOnABike@lemmy.today 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

you know, the only teaching jobs where you are paid more than minimum wage.

Oddly in the US, its the other way around. Colleges have moved towards hiring "adjunct faculty" to be teachers, often paying around minimum wage. While lower schools (at least around here), typically pay more than double minimum wage, often more than triple (even assuming teachers work 52 weeks a year without any breaks/vacations). Researchers (if they can keep a constant flow of grants) and coaches get paid well in universities, but that's not for teaching.

But yeah... high schools seem to have no problem with male teachers. Elementary, idk. Might just be men don't seek those positions because of the assumption they won't be allowed?

[-] TheDoctor@hexbear.net 8 points 4 days ago

While lower schools (at least around here), typically pay more than double minimum wage, often more than triple

This varies wildly based on state. I’m in a state where this is true because teachers’ unions still have a strong presence here. But there are states where making triple minimum wage as an elementary teacher is a pipe team or where their minimum wage is still $7.25/hour so that’s less significant

[-] WalrusDragonOnABike@lemmy.today 3 points 4 days ago

This varies wildly based on state. In my case, its more local based - its not even true state-wide, much less a general rule (and also minimum wage here is $7.25/hr). Teacher unions here are quite limited. But there's a few districts with relatively academically demanding communities (aka: wealthier districts), and I'm guessing the areas around it basically are forced to compete for hiring.

where their minimum wage is still $7.25/hour so that’s less significant

Doesn't change the comparison to adjuncts who don't even make that due to all of the unpaid hours needed to do a good job.

That doesn't make it good or acceptable pay. Especially given the training and everything that goes into it, like dealing with classrooms full of kids who often don't want to be there.

[-] Saeculum@hexbear.net 2 points 4 days ago

It's like, okay, first of all I see plenty of male teachers around

My primary school didn't have a single male teacher, and my secondary school had I think three out of fifty or so, and it's not an isolated experience in the UK (the secondary school was a little unusual. )

Apparently, 76% of teachers in the UK are women, and 25% of schools have no male teachers at all.