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One year on. Hundreds of thousands are dying or dead, millions are displaced, the Middle East is undergoing its greatest changes in a generation, Iran has directly attacked Israel twice in one year, and Yemen has proven that the US Navy ain't worth shit. We are the closest we have been to nuclear war (discounting accidents) in decades, but also the fall of Israel.

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https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
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[-] refolde@hexbear.net 41 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

What if it's based entirely on their actions and not you know... anything related to Judaism.

EDIT: I'm talking about the bombing hospitals and refugee camps, deliberate targetting of civilians, troops coming in disguised as aid trucks to commit massacres, blaming their victims for using"human shields", etc.

[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You could easily have villains based on Zionists without it being antisemitic, just have a bunch of generic white guys with American accents come to some other place, take it over and begin to oppress and murder the indigenous population, all while being a bunch of insufferable whiny little shits. All of that is fine.

But the moment you hint more directly at them being a standin for the zionists it is going to be perceived as antisemitic by most people. One of the many crimes of Zionism is how they have managed to make themselves synonymous with the Jewish people and no matter how unfair and untrue that conflation might be, that is the reality we're dealing with.

This makes it extremely hard to make a fictional standin for Zionism without it being seen as antisemitic. You could do something about a character connected to the same group of villains who breaks free from the fascist ideology but that could easily end up being seen as that character being "one of the good ones" which is just another way of underlining the villainous nature of the entire group.

Either you have to make something that is so removed from the symbols of real-world Zionism that it could just as well be seen as a representation of the generic west or the inherent corruption of human nature. Either you do that or you do something that is a clear synonym for Zionism and end up sending inadvertently antisemitic messages.

The conflation of Judaism and zionism has to be broken. It is one of the zionazi's most powerful propaganda tools.

[-] refolde@hexbear.net 26 points 1 month ago

You could easily have villains based on Zionists without it being antisemitic, just have a bunch of generic white guys with American accents come to some other place, take it over and begin to oppress and murder the indigenous population, all while being a bunch of insufferable whiny little shits. All of that is fine.

That is actually exactly what I was thinking.

[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago

But would the audience get that you were making a story about Zionism and not just one about generic bad guys?

[-] refolde@hexbear.net 21 points 1 month ago

I guess in the end I was thinking less about Zionism specifically and more about settler colonialism, of which is the major identity of Zionism.

[-] TechnoAnomie@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago

Make it a group of west coast Americans, brits, and the most unhinged Russians coming together, all white, duh, and it should be.

[-] plinky@hexbear.net 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It’s just general observation. if you fictionalize something that truly kinda happens (like person with israeli accent calling cnn to not publish something) without painstakingly showing it’s not new world order stuff, it will read that (nwo) way into public consciousness.

Feel like only documentaries can be useful here. But culture is fuck, and won’t save us, 60s happened with dick to show for it (re:vietnam)

[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago

Even a documentary can be seen as antisemitic by those who wants to see it that way (zionist crubullies or gentile antisemites) and by quite a few other people who have not been paying too much attention but who have swallowed the propaganda about Zionism being an integral part of Judaism.

[-] GlueBear@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago

But they'll call you an antisemite regardless. Why give them that power over you?

[-] plinky@hexbear.net 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

what I mean is, unless it explicitly anti-capitalist or decolonial creator, I don’t trust simple formula of “israelis bad” to not fuck up anti-semitism part. They are bad, but it’s nuanced bad of why amerikka assists them

(*in that its not "jews control the world", rather "capital needs a dog in middle east to control oil flows and any nascent anti-imperialist movements")

[-] commiewithoutorgans@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago

Well it's the difficulty of a group defining itself as the pinnacle of Judaism (or at least it's biggest representative on the world stage). Dialectically, they reshape what fits within "Judaism" through their actions, including committing a genocide, because they claim to be a part of it. There will be cultural creations reflective of that, and it's not gonna be great.

Now the solution is to say that Israel formed a new thing, a separate Judaism from the non-Zionists, which committed these crimes and is not reflective of Judaism. Just call is Zionism (it already is Zionism, but you have to form the zeitgeist around something like that). I hope that can be pulled off and convincingly, because innocent Jews will otherwise be subjected to harm. And I hope we get some rad anti-Zionist films and video games which portray them as the evil they are.

The biggest risk, which we should already prepare for, is that this redefining will be captured by western media to make "Zionism" ONLY about specific actions and not about settler-colonialism more broadly. Like media will try to lump all non-IDF Israelis, and even some of the "nicer" IDF, out of the "evil people" narrative. Then we will have another "of course Hitler was bad, but the average German who just gave up Jews to the SS were normal and ok people."

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