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Bandai Namco has reportedly turned to the unspoken Japanese tradition of layoff-by-boredom by stuffing unwanted employees into oidashi beya, or "expulsion rooms."

Employees ~~banished~~ reassigned to oidashi beya are left to do nothing, or given menial tasks at best. According to Bloomberg's unnamed insider sources, Bandai Namco has moved around 200 of its 1,300 person team to these rooms in recent months.

The goal of sticking someone in an expulsion room is to literally bore or shame them into quitting, and Bloomberg's sources claim it has worked on around half the people Bandai Namco has stuck in there so far.

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[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 60 points 13 hours ago

I think we're misunderstanding the rooms here. Everyone in the comments is saying "ooooh, I'd love that!" But imagine, the company gives you a tough but manageable quota of lines to write out by hand from the dictionary. Every day, 8 hours of writing. No phone, no music, no talking, no distractions, just quietly writing.

For anyone with a decent salaried job, that sounds horrible.

[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 6 hours ago

That's not what's done, though.

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 13 points 10 hours ago

As a software developer writing out lines from the dictionary isn't part of my job description... they'd be violating my employment contract.

Bosses can't just demand you do something... your work needs to be stuff you agreed to do.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 7 points 9 hours ago

You probably have another duties ad required clause somewhere. If not, fine one dev to another, asking for hundreds of shitty useless QA tests. Same stupidity but if they can demonstrate a reasonable employee should finish X in Y time...

[-] Hupf@feddit.org 6 points 3 hours ago

useless QA tests

As a QA professional, I take exception to that!

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 hours ago

If you get into a situation like this please reach out to a labor lawyer - it's extremely likely that you could make a case for constructive dismissal.

[-] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 13 points 11 hours ago

so don't make your quota.

what are they going to do, fire you?

[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 21 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Exactly! You accidentally hit the nail on the head here.

The goal of the company is to get rid of employees. But they have permanent hire, so the bosses can't simply fire them without cause (and the bar for cause is very high in Japan). They want employees to quit, or they want employees to clearly fail to perform their duties.

What the employees want is to keep doing decent work at that company, probably until they retire at age 65. Permanent hire is highly treasured, for good reason. The reason permanent hire exists, and is so widespread as required by law, is that Japan values employee well-being more than it values the bosses' well-being. It's hard to get a big loan (for a house or apartment) if you don't have permanent hire. It's hard to get a high-paying job that doesn't have permanent hire. Many companies will not give you good positions if you're over the age of 35, too, which makes changing employers in your 40s-60s very challenging.

[-] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 hours ago

not an accident.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

Responded before but if you don't hit the quota, they can probably fire you for cause (removing the severance, maybe pension etc.)

It's why all the back to office mandates sorta work (in terms of reducing headcount) you can't just show up and do nothing. If thr company can prove you're doing nothing, you can probably be terminated for cause. Happened to guys I know in a public, govt funded job with the reason as, iirc "time theft" and the union didn't really fight for them because the evidence was pretty damning that they hadn't done fuck all most mornings.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 7 points 11 hours ago

For anyone it's horrible. Making someone do monotonous unproductive work is a form of torture. Just look at Sisyphus.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 0 points 9 hours ago

I mean, Camus argued he could at least find satisfaction/meaning in rolling that damned rock. (As part of his "why committing suicide is bad" essay, I think called the Myth of Sisyphus.)

[-] e_t_@kbin.pithyphrase.net 2 points 10 hours ago

I would start to suspect my employers of bank robbery.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

Heck, now I just want to read this before understanding the joke. Be warned, you're going to get a message in some months thanking you for the reference.

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