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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

How's that radical rise of the proletariat going for those in Venezuela? How did it go for the Soviets after Lenin? How'd that whole great leap forward go for the farmers in Maoist China?

Venezuela is doing alright, not great but it isn't really a Socialist state. The USSR had great success in many areas, like a doubling in life expectancy, free healthcare, free education, huge increases in home ownership, and more. The PRC struggled during the Great Leap Forward, Mao was only about 70% good, Deng course-corrected back to Marxism-Leninism.

Or perhaps you are of the "These are not true Marxist regimes. There's never been a true Marixst state" camp. Gee, I wonder fucking why? Perhaps because it doesn't work. Marxism is unsustainable at scale.

No, AES states exist and Marxism works. Cuba, the PRC, Vietnam, Laos, DPRK, etc. are all guided by Marxism-Leninism. Socialism guides the largest economy on the planet, if it couldn't scale then it wouldn't have.

You want a commune, go for it. A town of co-op of farms, by all means. Perhaps even a small city state, just beware, if you introduce a power vacuum, some smooth talking snake oil salesman is going to try to fill it.

I am not advocating for Communes, I don't know where you got the idea that I was.

[-] ma343@beehaw.org -2 points 1 month ago

This is my problem with the PSL, you can't call yourself a party for liberation and then support the DPRK regime, an absolute hereditary dictatorship. It's great to point out the flaws in the US ruling parties, but campism is just ignoring the very real flaws of anyone who happens to oppose the US internationally because they're on your "team". In reality, there's no team except the working class, and these supposedly leftist governments are usually not treating the working class well either.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago

The DPRK isn't a hereditary dictatorship, that's not accurate. No, it isn't a utopian paradise either, it's somewhere in the middle of those two extremes.

but campism is just ignoring the very real flaws of anyone who happens to oppose the US internationally because they're on your "team".

Have you read Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism before? Are you familiar with the term "critical support?"

[-] rothaine@beehaw.org -2 points 1 month ago

The USSR had great success in many areas

The PRC struggled during the Great Leap Forward

You seem to be papering over the part where a shit ton of their own people died, so I don't think this really works as a pitch. You'd need to find a way to ensure that mass death wouldn't happen again, and then succinctly express it.

Mao was only about 70% good

Anyone who does mass executions is a fucking monster. Probably better to leave this out of the pitch.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

I can discuss in-depth with you if you'd like, but Blackshirts and Reds is the perfect book for you. AES is by no means a fantasy wonderland, but it is a dramatic improvement on existing conditions. The Kuomintang and the Tsars were more brutal than the Communists, and that brutality lasted for centuries.

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