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[-] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 74 points 1 month ago

Then they also get mad when you find an easier way to accomplish the same thing in a fraction of the time or even automating it.

[-] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 41 points 1 month ago

"Why didn't you show your work, so I can see how you think?"

Because I did it in my head and got the right answer. This isn't about you.

[-] BCsven@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The "show your work" is about checking if you understand the logic in getting the answer. We had lots of questions out of 5. Right answer was only worth 1 mark, the other 4 were the steps and reasoning. This type of setup punishes those that skip right to the answer, or have memorized answers. But rewards those that show they know the concepts

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[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago

Ok but forcing me to show my work was one of those things I hated until I was extremely grateful for it. I didn’t need to show my work to prove my answer was correct in elementary school, but it was a slow drift from “I can do it in my head with ease” to “I need to document my steps so I can check where the error occurred”. Also “it’s not enough to be correct, you need to be correct with evidence” is the reality for people who do math for a living

[-] Entropywins@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Best I can do is lots of evidence proving I'm incorrect...

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Better than no evidence

[-] Somsphet@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 month ago

Literally every single damn math class I ever took

[-] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I had to retake an algebra 2 exam multiple times because they thought I was cheating- including sitting IN the principal's office, yet the scores were all within points of each other.

They were so fucking salty about it too when there was no "gotcha." I wish I could time travel back to advocate for myself, because I would have TORN THEM A NEW ONE. My parents were apathetic cowards.

Like all cutting injustices, it's stuck with me.

[-] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I would have sued them personally for defamation just under the small claims court amount ($10k) with a jury demand. Small claims cases in my state cannot be dismissed for cause of action. They could ask for a summary judgement, but that would still cost more in attorneys fees than just settling.

[-] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 12 points 1 month ago

That's probably what better parents might have done. Mine did nothing.

Of course, to bring it up now is only to be met with a constant stream of, "I don't remember that."

The tree remembers what the axe forgets.

[-] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 1 points 1 month ago

Suing who? Admins right? Because you wouldn't get much out of teachers. (In the US anyway) 😂

[-] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

You can put a lien on their house if they didn't pay. Then if they want to ever sell the house or get another loan they have to pay you.

[-] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I deconstructed the underlying methodology of the creator of the system in order to understand their internalized blind spots or artificial limitations imposed on them by unrelated third parties at the time of the systems creation.

It’s funny, because in high school, I remember getting poor marks on proofs - and HATING them - because I was like “this is so fucking obvious jesus tap dancing christ” and just… skipped lots of steps.

Fast forward to college and logic theory: that ended up being one of my favorite classes, because machine theory and problem reduction is a fascinating domain, and FAR more interesting than “prove this shape is the shape we say it is” or whatever vapid bullshit they had us doing in high school.

[-] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Lol I hated this too, I really did. But like a lot of answers here, I can appreciate it somewhat now. Especially when trying to learn to code.

I think learning to break down problems might even be MORE valuable to people like us with ADHD, even if we hate it, because we tend to intuit our way through things by the seat of our pants.

Also sometimes I got really lucky and arrived at the correct answer in a bizarre and inconsistent way.

In the end, it's very valuable to be able to communicate your process to others. Even if it's irritating and awful to get through.

I also wonder if those like myself, who really REALLY hated math until my brain started to appreciate it in my adult years, just gnash our teeth at these memories because it made us feel stupid when we struggled to keep up with that slow, methodical raw-logic stuff...

EDIT: I can see you were the polar opposite of myself, ridiculously GOOD at math but found it a waste of time showing how you got there. That makes sense. I have zero idea what that's like lol.

[-] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

I wouldn't have minded it nearly as much, had they not accused me of cheating on the exam. That sticks in the craw.

[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 month ago

This reminds me of a punishment homework thing I was given in my youth, I had to write out something a bunch of times, which was a shit punishment to begin with and only happened once in like, grade 3 or something. Maybe even grade 1 when we were learning to write, idk. Maybe it wasn't a punishment (it felt like one).

Instead of writing the letter "i" at the start of every line like I was supposed to, I just put a long line down the page to be that letter on every line.

The only part of this that I remember to this day is that I got it back with that line circled in red and the word "lazy!" Written next to it, with points off of the assignment for it.

That's literally the only thing I recall about it, that finding an "easy" way to write the same letter across multiple lines was lazy, therefore I'm lazy and worthless. I don't even remember if I passed or failed it, because that was less important to my young mind than being called lazy for simply trying to optimize my working time.

I dunno, but at this point I kind feel like that teacher was a bit of an asshole.

[-] FarFarAway@startrek.website 7 points 1 month ago

You gotta try to make a perfectly spaced dashed line down the page, as fast as you can. It's a bit of a challenge and get all the I's out of the way. Then the teacher can't say boo.

[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

I basically don't write anything anymore. So no matter how "lazy" it might be, a dashed line like you suggest is a skill issue that I couldn't master at age.... 7?

I still haven't because I don't put pen to paper often, if at all. If I need to write 100 lines of the same thing, that's what copy/paste is for.

[-] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 1 points 1 month ago

I will say though, I've found putting pencil/pen to paper and brain dumping to be rather therapeutic at times! In your secret notebook you can even trash that teacher that tried to dissuade you from writing. :D

(Got this idea from The Artist's Way book. Lol)

[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

Well, for me, it's not that I don't write because I can't, or that I don't want to; I just work with/on/around computers/devices so much that I usually find paper to be inconvenient.

Getting a thing signed by e-signature vs having to print, sign, and mail/deliver a document to someone is just a lot easier for me.

I absolutely can write, and I sometimes find putting pen to paper to be therapeutic, but ultimately I tend to use digital forms of record keeping and note taking, much more than physical copies.

What I would consider is a writing tablet where I can quickly scribble notes into, similar to writing on paper, that then get transcribed into text by OCR or something.... I don't have the money for that.

[-] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 2 points 1 month ago

Oh yeah for productive purposes I totally get you. I haaaate paper ending up on my desk. Especially because it always seems to be things in that weird limbo of "Can I throw this away or do I need to keep it for some reason?" and it just starts piling up everywhere.

I run Paperless NGX on my server now so I can just scan, automatically sort, and shred a majority of mail now lol.

[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

I should do this too. By and large there's no reason to keep paper around anymore.

What do you do for backups?

[-] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 1 points 1 month ago

Heya sorry for the delay. :)

Sooo I run my PaperlessNGX service on my home server, on which the storage drives are in a mirror configuration. But RAID is not a backup! So they're periodically uploaded to an offsite / cloud service I pay for called iDrive.

When you specify the storage location though, I'm sure you could use something like Borg Backup or any other solution, if you wanted. :)

[-] Kojichan@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

This applies so hard to programmers, as well. I love making things automated, but I never have the time to make them properly.

[-] Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Come join us on the QA side! I'm an automation developer, so it's my job to make things automated :)

[-] Kojichan@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Hahaha! I'm a full stack... I'm supposed to do both. Lol. I need more automation...!!!

[-] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago
[-] Kojichan@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Why hello there, me! Have a great day. ;)

[-] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 2 points 1 month ago

Me when I write a simple BASH script:

"Oh my gosh it actually WORKS!...Whelp, that should hold. On to the next thing!"

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 month ago

This is when you learn to just not tell anyone that you're saving time and pretend it takes as long as everyone else lol

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