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[-] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

That sucks

Wonder how Leonard Peltier is feeling

[-] CatholicSocialist@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Whataboutism. Nobody said America and China can't both be bad.

[-] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

Not even whatabouting, this does suck, its generally not good to arrest journalists and if you're going to you should have good communication and evidence, cause otherwise it looks bad no matter how legitimate it may potentially be, its just damaging to your credibility and easy to take advantage of by bad faith actors like the western press

Seein this made me think of Leonard, he's been in there for 40 years, I think of him whenever I hear a news story like this

[-] CatholicSocialist@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

"That sucks" was clearly sarcastic/downplaying it as no big deal in your original comment.

[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

thought-terminating cliché says what

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

Except that they're not both bad, that's just something Americans keep repeating.

[-] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

bad or not, china is definitely less bad than America, its not even close

[-] unions@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

You know this isn't about China, right? Your obsession with posting about how amazing ANOTHER COUNTRY'S GOVERNMENT is? Another friday night creating posts and commenting to anyone who mentions China? You see how that's sad and not normal, right?

This isn't about the CCP or changing minds. It's about you and I hope you can see that. We can. It's about giving you an identity and a purpose and bathing in the notoriety of being one of the most prolific posters on a tiny little server called Lemmygrad. I always feel sad for you when I see you out there simping for a government body, but then I see your smugness and rudeness and I feel less bad.

Hopefully you won't be an old nan yelling at clouds forever.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

You're right, it's not about China at all, it's me having to read ignorant drivel from arrogant Americans. You've created one of the most deplorable societies in the history of the human race, and a bunch of you are running around bleating about how everyone else is just as bad. Clearly you don't see how sad and not normal that is. What's really sad is that I live rent free in your head.

[-] CatholicSocialist@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago
[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 year ago

That's certainly what victims of US propaganda machine believe, but it's also objectively false.

[-] unions@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

Welp, case closed. Someone said their opinion is objective truth. I guess denying humans sunshine is only subjectively evil.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago

Objective facts have nothing to do with anybody's opinions and the facts are that quality of life in China continues to improve for the vast majority of the people. The government is actively working on doing things like eliminating poverty, creating public infrastructure, providing healthcare, housing, food, and education for all citizens. Chinese government practically eliminated poverty, and in fact China is the only place in a world where any meaningful poverty reduction is happening. If we take China out of the equation poverty actually increased in real terms:

If we take just one country, China, out of the global poverty equation, then even under the $1.90 poverty standard we find that the extreme poverty headcount is the exact same as it was in 1981.

The $1.90/day (2011 PPP) line is not an adequate or in any way satisfactory level of consumption; it is explicitly an extreme measure. Some analysts suggest that around $7.40/day is the minimum necessary to achieve good nutrition and normal life expectancy, while others propose we use the US poverty line, which is $15.

China used more concrete in 3 years than US in all of 20th century, they built 27,000km of high speed rail in a decade. 90% of families in the country own their home giving China one of the highest home ownership rates in the world. What’s more is that 80% of these homes are owned outright, without mortgages or any other leans. Real wage (i.e. the wage adjusted for the prices you pay) has gone up 4x in the past 25 years, more than any other country. This is staggering considering it's the most populous country on the planet. Finally, social mobility in China is such that Americans can only dream of.

Anybody who looks at this and thinks China is evil is utterly morally bankrupt.

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