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[-] burgersc12@mander.xyz 28 points 12 hours ago

Capitalism is designed to give power to the few at the top. Nothing about it is a meritocracy, its a funnel of money straight to whoever can exploit the system more than the rest. Has nothing to do with merit, but to "get yours" through whatever means necessary, including crushing those employees who actually do the hard labor that they then extract wealth from.

Say, the system was designed to prevent cheating. Could a meritocracy exist?

[-] Vanth@reddthat.com 21 points 12 hours ago

Define cheating. I doubt many CEOs would consider anything they've done to get to the position they are as "cheating".

To "cheat", one must break the rules. And the rules have been designed to not only allow for but encourage current behavior.

[-] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world -3 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

CEO'S are propped up by investors and guaranteed the money invested traces back to some sort of nepotism.

[-] Vanth@reddthat.com 11 points 11 hours ago

Which is the way it's designed to work, so not cheating.

Also, the definition of nepotism involves favoring relatives. I get what you mean, but it's not quite accurate. There's certainly favoritism going on, just not between relatives generally.

[-] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world -2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Here's a common definition of neoptism:

Undue attachment to relations; favoritism shown to members of one's family; bestowal of patronage in consideration of relationship, rather than of merit or of legal claim.

Maybe I sprung the word "cheat" on you too soon, but 'nepotism is cheating' is a brief a summation of my argument.

[-] Vanth@reddthat.com 7 points 10 hours ago
  1. What's going on with overpaid CEOs and underpaid workers is not nepotism

  2. cheating means breaking of rules, and they're not

You can argue that we should change rules to disincentivize some of the behaviors we're seeing and to make them "cheating". And I would't argue against you if we could somehow make those improvements. But if you're framing "cheating" as against yours or my personal moral framework instead of law, that is not something you can expect everyone to agree with you on.

But if you’re framing “cheating” as against yours or my personal moral framework instead of law, that is not something you can expect everyone to agree with you on.

This is actually the supposition of my question.

But you're not cracking the surface and it's honestly really boring exchanging ideas with you. I don't think I'll carry on.

[-] Vanth@reddthat.com 7 points 9 hours ago

I agree it gets very boring when you are too careless to accurately articulate your views. Good luck!

[-] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

What an exchange!

[-] Susaga@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 hours ago

It can't.

It's a logistical nightmare. In order to be rewarded for your efforts, you need some system of evaluating the worth of every effort. Any societal system that exists is made by at least one person, and every person had biases and ambitions.

There's no way to prevent cheating, because any rule to prevent cheating will be ignored, because that's what cheating is. Any rules to make cheating harder only make it harder, not impossible.

Oh look, it seems the act of deciding a person's worth to society is 100 times the worth of a labourer. And the worth of a writer for Batman is 20 times the worth of a writer for Spider Man. Oh, my physicist girlfriend just broke up with me... Looks like that's practically worthless now!

Wait, what's a youtuber? Is that a new thing? I made my value system back in 2002, so this is all new to me! You're not on the list, so I guess you're not worth anything? I guess we could make the list again, and while we're there, my opinions on Batman have changed, so we can tweak some other things too.

Ah, the problem is that a person's worth is entirely subjective... But what if we press it down into clear and objective statistics? What if we limit it to a single statistic, and a person's value is entirely related to raising that statistic? We can call the statistic... Capital!

So a person's value in society is entirely tied to their ability to obtain as much capital as possible, no matter what they do. Ah, meritocracy.

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