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[-] AnxiousOtter@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

Huh? All jobs come with an employment contract.

[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 2 days ago

You must not be in america. We're lucky if we get breaks.

[-] Chocrates@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

I'm an American and I've always had a contract. Even in retail. Of course the contracts are all bullshit and just a waiver of my rights.

[-] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

an employment offer letter is not a contract.

[-] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 days ago

Land of the free and all that. Free from paid healthcare, a decent public education, a strong voice in government, an impartial justice system, employee rights... With all this freedom, it's hard to imagine wanting to be anywhere else.

[-] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

Freedom to treat your employees however you want!

[-] datelmd5sum@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

So if the employer suddenly decides to e.g. start paying you less, how do you prove how much your pay should be?

[-] Chocrates@lemmy.world 0 points 16 hours ago

There is nearly always a contract and the business will submit tax paperwork with your compensation to the IRS.

Under the table workers are illegal and on their own

[-] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

still not a contract, that's just taxes.

[-] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

Someone does some digging and figures it out, and maybe five or so years later you get a check in the mail for an amount the lawyers agreed was correct.

[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago

Previous pay stubs I suppose. Depending on the employer you may have something in writing. This typically wouldn't be contract if you're an employee without a union.

[-] RupeThereItIs@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago
[-] AnxiousOtter@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

My dude, we're talking about remote work office jobs. Not some random under the table shit.

[-] RupeThereItIs@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

My dude, that's exactly what I'm talking about. That's me in fact.

Even if I had a contract it wouldn't matter as I live in a right to work state, they can fire me at any point without warning or cause.

Having any real employment contract is NOT the norm here.

Non office jobs are more likely to be unionized and this have a contract than office jobs.

That's the type of thing non W2 self employed contractors or union members might have to lean back on, not rank and file full time office employees.

[-] AnxiousOtter@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Lol I don't understand. So when you get hired somewhere, you just shake hands and go to a desk and start working? You don't sign any employment contract outlining role responsibilities, compensation, NDA, expectations, background check, bank deposit information, tax information, etc?

I don't believe you.

[-] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

you don't have too, it's all pretty informal besides taxes and I'd verification. no contract says you have to do X or can't do X, it's more rules or policies, which are often very bendable. you either take it or leave it, they can fire you as they see fit. just as youre not required to give 2 weeks notice. so if you never ask for raise or promotion, good chance you may not get either.

[-] candybrie@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago

You get an offer letter that spells some of that out, but it isn't a binding contract.

An employment relationship in the United States is presumed to be “at-will,” i.e., terminable by either party, with or without cause or notice. Indeed, a majority of employees in the United States are employed on an “at-will” basis, without a written employment contract, and only with a written offer of employment that outlines the basic terms and conditions of their employment.

Source

[-] RupeThereItIs@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Title, start date and time, job title is about all that's on the "contract".

Rolls and responsabilities, not anything else, are not defined.

[-] Don_alForno@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago

I don't understand how people can live like this and not consider emigration.

[-] RupeThereItIs@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

To where?

Somewhere with a substantial pay reduction that does NOT want me there and likely requires I learn a new language in midlife.

I'm fine, it's not a hellscape here, there are problems everywhere.

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