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I was wondering what's up with the comments but then I realized the main feed sent me to .ml.
Comments do drastically differ between .ml and .world. On .ml, you'll see more sympathy towards Russia and China.
But the issue on hand is way bigger than that. It's importance is not in Russia getting sanctioned somewhere else - it's in the destruction of openness and trust in the open-source community, which has far more reaching consequences. What has been done is pretty unprecedented - and dangerous.
And I'm surprised other Linux communities are silent on the matter.
I was wondering why some of the comments were being maliciously dense and then I realised the commentators were smug aspiring redditors
You should stay on reddit.world or sh.itjust.twerks telling your fellow Redditors about how we need to send billions of dollars to foreign wars that RAND corporation and Chatham House have admitted they never intended to win (they thought Russians would overthrow their own government if enough Ukrainian men and adolescents die on the battlefield long enough, pure strategic genius, Zapp Brannigan would be proud).
Seems like you are the one drinking the Kremlin Kool-Aid tbh. The Russian invasion of Ukraine is deeply unpopular, because it's such blatant imperialism. They are trying to re-vassalise Ukraine, same as they did with Georgia. Simple as. Putin still has delusions of empire and cold-war era "spheres of influence", and his pretexts for the invasion are paper thin to anyone not drinking Putin's Kool-Aid. Support for the Ukrainians has nothing to do with Western propaganda - it's got to do with the fact that Putin has made it very clear what his end game is, and nobody except Putin and his gross coalition of authoritarians, religious extremists and dictators want to give Russia the chance to strongarm/invade its way into becoming the USSR again. Having said all that, I've got nothing against Russian programmers working on open source software. Unlike yourself, I'm perfectly capable of distinguishing between the actions of a State and its citizens, many/most of whom are no doubt decent people.
That's so cute that you think that anyone who doesn't eat out of the hand of Google News is brainwashed by Putin. You're such a critical thinker. Thank you for weighing in.
Actually the difference between me and people like you is I actually read what Washington and Kiev are saying about the war and have memory longer than a goldfish! Plus, I avoid search engines that have gone under heavy censorship since February 2022 by groups like Alliance to Secure Democracy. I have far more cogent criticism of the Russian government and their media, their central bank, and MOD than anyone like you, or most of the supporters of the SMO. Mainly that they let the west get away with a Nazi coup in Ukraine in 2014 and sat on their hands.
Of course support for the Ukrainians has nothing to do with western propaganda LOL, you have no choice whether America and its sub-imperial partners in Europe, Australia, Japan, and South Korea send supplies and funding to the Ukrainians. It doesn't make any difference whether you buy the propaganda or not. These same thinks tanks that call for a war in Ukraine are now discovering that western industrial capacity cannot be restored and falls far short of doing anything other than delaying Ukraine losing.
The economic shock of the coronavirus pandemic has now rolled into the mass realignment caused by sanctioning Russia. Sanctions place a burden on all countries which are expected to abide by them. Outside of western countries which constitute 14% of the world population, people are ambivalent about the Anti Terrorist Operation Against Donbas Separatists entering year TEN, they only care about the western financial system being turned into a weapon against them.
In fact, even American vassals like Europe and Japan are becoming more cagey about war. It certainly is not inspiring the hardcore faction of the Taiwanese about war with China.
You act as if we killed your dog. There is nothing stopping you from moving on. You can jump to an instance that is more agreeable to you or you could create a big block list. However, lemmyml has earned a bad rep from the rest of the community.
This guy was just telling me he couldn't stand to see opinions that don't mindlessly support sabotaging the Linux community. Now he says I should just move on? Weird.
@possiblylinux127 @griefstricken I was working on bringing up a lemmy instance here, but after seeing the typical lemmy users I think I shall abandon the project.
Still worth while to do so, the trick is you need to defederate problematic instances. Not hide them, fully defederate. That stops problematic instances and communties from affecting your userbase. There's many great Lemmy servers and communties out there. Just because a few of them aren't great doesn't mean you should dismiss all of them.
I encourage you guys fully defederating the Redditor based instances from the people who actually care about the integrity of open source projects. Get lost creeps! You haven't made a single argument in this thread other than "all Russians are spies" and "all dissenters are Russian spied". Useless idiots!
I haven't made any arguments in this thread, you are putting words in my mouth, and not really helping your credibility. All I said is that the person should defederate Lemmy instances and communities which go against the mission of their instance. Something that almost all instance operators would likely agree on.
Just for the record though, I don't believe people should be kicked out of a project based on their nationality, that seems incredibly xenophobic. I don't know where you got that idea that I said any of those things from.
You're encouraging someone who wants to block "problematic instances" in this case people voicing opposition to that xenophobia, to host lemmy (an open source project where most instances have large linux communities), and taking them seriously on their concern trolling in the first place. It does send a bit of an unusual message.
Anyways I stand by it, that person should fuck off back to reddit.
@griefstricken @Draconic_NEO I've seen more trolling from lemmy hosts than anything else here recently. I was going to add a lemmy site to my social media sites but this has convinced me that perhaps now is not the time. This time last year mastodon was a big problem but it has settled down, perhaps lemmy will in the future.
Misskey forks and Mastodon all have a file drive to manage things, thread watching, one-click access to LibreTranslate without browser extensions (good for libraries and school). Lemmy is really only good for the insane blood bowl of comments sections - and I literally have to use SearxNG lemmy comments plugin to sift through it because federation is so annoying. Though I am being harsh maybe. Eh honestly it's workable if you babysit every aspect of federation but it was never worth it to me. A.gup.pe is pretty much the best way to bridge Lemmy with Mastodon/Misskey/Friendica forks.
Let's be for real though, Mastodon's ecosystem is horrible. They all support mindless aggression against Russia and "Israel's right to exist" where Palestinians used to live side by side even with Zionists. The few people who stand up even for international law, which is based in US oriented institutions, are constantly lambasted, to the point even mild radical liberals like that German "immibis" guy are driven to their own instances.
FediMap shows why. Until server hosting is less concentrated in NATO countries you can expect more heavy handed neoconservative moderation. At least there are cool Brazilians.
Literally just use a Misskey fork, Funkwhale, and Peertube.
No, you are wrong!
Good, Lemmy is not very well-made software. I won't belabor it, but you are dodging a bullet. It's methadone for reddit. You can see the junkies fiending in this very thread.
@griefstricken I see useful things happen on Reddit, can't say I've seen a parallel in Lemmy so far. And I'm not sure I can get it to run in the configuration I want to, which is to say having it NOT on the same machine as the web server proxy or database.
Take it to the dev/host chat buddy I can't help you