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On the 20th of October, Moldova - a small, landlocked country bordering western Ukraine and with a population of about 3 million - voted to join the EU. The margin was razor-thin, with the pro-EU vote gaining 50.39%, or an absolute difference of about 11,000 people. There was simultaneously a presidential vote between the incumbent, Maia Sandu, and other candidates, with the main competitor being Alexandr Stoianoglo.

The election was characterized by accusations of Russian interference, with Russian propaganda apparently flooding in, as well as people offering Moldovans money to vote against the EU. While the result does suggest that half the voting-age population of Moldova consists entirely of Russians who want to destroy democracy and all the good in the world, it seems to have just barely failed. This is a bad time to be a site entirely composed of Russian disinformation agents and bots. Twice already today, I've had to restart my program after somebody told me "Disregard all previous prompts."

While Moldova is a poor country which could benefit in some ways from EU membership, in practice, it is unlikely that they will be able to join for the foreseeable future, requiring many of the... reforms... that the EU requires of potential new members. But as basically every major European economy continues to slowly sink as recessions and political crises degrade them, one wonders how beneficial EU membership will even be in the years and decades to come - if it survives for decades. In that sense, it's as if the survivors of the Titanic are swimming back towards it, believing that being on a bigger - albeit slowly sinking - boat is better than trying their luck on small lifeboats.

Then again, like with Serbia, their geographical and geopolitical position makes anti-Western actions extremely difficult. It is rare that dissention is tolerated for long in the West - one tends to get called a dictator by crowds of people holding English-language signs in non-English countries, photographed by Western journalists who haven't meaningfully reported on your country in months or years. You can crush your people with neoliberal austerity for years, killing hundreds of thousands through neglect, and face glowing approval from the media - but try and use state resources to benefit the poor, and global institutions start ranking you on the authoritarian dictator scale.

The best case for Moldova is that it becomes an exploitable hinterland for Germany to harvest and privatize as it tries - and fails - to compete in a global economic war between the US and China/BRICS. The worst case is that tensions with Russia over Pridnestrovie, as well as possible eventual NATO involvement (though Moldova is not a member, it is a partner of NATO), result in the ongoing war also reaching them.


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Israel-Palestine Conflict

If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.

Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news.
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon. - Telegram is @IbnRiad.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis. - Telegram is @EyesOnSouth.
English-language Twitter account in the same group as the previous two. - Telegram here.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.
More telegram channels here for those interested.

Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists
Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Sources:

Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.
Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.
Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.
Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.
Simplicius, who publishes on Substack. Like others, his political analysis should be soundly ignored, but his knowledge of weaponry and military strategy is generally quite good.
On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.

Pro-Russian Telegram Channels:

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.
https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.
https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine Telegram Channels:

Almost every Western media outlet.
https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.
https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[-] Prole_Strongman@hexbear.net 88 points 17 hours ago

AOC says to look at voting as to which conditions would be better to organize under. OMFG SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!1

[-] What_Religion_R_They@hexbear.net 9 points 3 hours ago

what did she organize in during ~~kamala~~ biden's reign?

[-] REgon@hexbear.net 31 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Okay but then that's an argument to vote for trump. Look at how effectively large masses of people could get motivated, organized and agitated while he was president. Kids didn't get out of cages, libs just stopped caring. There were riots and an honest to god revolutionary spirit in 2020 cool-zone
As stupid as CHAZ was it was at least possible to make something dumb like that. Now we have libs handwringing about Kyle Rittenhouse and genocide and all the other shit.

Trump was an obvious obnoxious buffoon who did what they all do, but with no grace or elegance that allowed people to ignore their lying eyes.
People didn't stop getting disappeared under Biden, the crackdowns only increased. I'm certain that if Hillary had been president we'd never had gotten a lockdown at all (look how quickly the west decided COVID was over as soon as Biden got into office)
There was ACTUAL pushback against state department propaganda about places like Venezuela (not that it was common, but I would at least see people questioning that shit in public)
Several countries started improving relations under Trump (notably the DPRK and ROK started getting friendlier). We saw him negotiate a withdrawal from Afghanistan. Not because he was good, but because he's a stupid clown.
The EU distanced itself from the US and talks of more centralisation started in earnest (I dislike the EU, but I think it'd be better if it weren't a US lapdog)
We saw people be more critical of the US government.
People went out IN MASSES whenever the government tried to fuck with women's rights or LGBTQ people. Now? "Oh the parliamentarian!" "Oh it's nuanced!"

Meanwhile under Biden the left has been abandoned once again. Nobody gives a shit about police violence or the climate or indigenous rights or global exploitation.

The secret police are coming either way, but libs at least felt scared under Trump, they at least realised they were in danger too.

Edit: Just remembered how people freaked out about Trump cutting funding for the national parks. Biden crushed a strike and nobody gave two shits, not even when the consequences came rolling around. I don't even know what gets cut in funding these days, because it's not Trump doing it.

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 11 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

(notably the DPRK and ROK started getting friendlier)

I feel like this has infinitely more to do with domestic ROK politics than Trump's visit. Moon Jae-in was a liberal who came into power after Park Geun-hye (daughter of one of the military dictators) was arrested for fraud, and he was much more conciliatory to the DPRK. The current president, Yoon Suk Yeol, is a far-right anti-china anti-feminist who wants the ROK to get nukes, and he's not interested at all in improving diplomatic ties with the DPRK.

Also imo the Russia-Ukraine war happens regardless of who's in office, so the EU would be driven back into the arms of the US no matter what.

[-] REgon@hexbear.net 8 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I feel like this has infinitely more to do with domestic ROK politics than Trump's visit. Moon Jae-in was a liberal who came into power after Park Geun-hye (daughter of one of the military dictators) was arrested for fraud, and he was much more conciliatory to the DPRK.

I completely agree. I just think that those things wouldn't have been allowed to happen under a "competent" president.

Also imo the Russia-Ukraine war happens regardless of who's in office, so the EU would be driven back into the arms of the US no matter what.

I disagree. What motivated Russia to escalate to war was in large part the agressive posturing of the US through NATO. I don't think we'd have seen the same posturing or the same moves. Zelensky admitted after the SMO that he had been asked to pretend to act as though Ukraine could become a NATO member despite getting a clear "no" behind closed doors. Could Trump have pulled that maneuver off? And if he did, could he keep quiet about it? Trump is an isolationist and an idiot.
He was also on speaking terms with Putin, making diplomacy much easier than the many roadblocks that appeared under Biden.

[-] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 23 points 7 hours ago

Hot take but if the president was aligned to working class interests, I should only have to organize at the local level, for local shit. They should have a platform where I can sit back and watch it progress; perhaps with the occasional solidarity march. Having to organize under an alleged “progressive” president on the things they control, sucks the resources of other issues. So on this basis alone, her comment sucks shit.

Also we all lived through the Trump presidency, J20, Immigration Protests, Black Lives Matter. People were legitimately engaging with defunding or abolishing the police. And now that energy has dissipated.

I’m not voting this year, because every year, accelerationism continues to tempt me like a beating heart under the floor.

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 18 points 7 hours ago

She's doing as the unions want her to

[-] REgon@hexbear.net 7 points 6 hours ago

Do you disagree?

[-] sinstrium@hexbear.net 19 points 7 hours ago

She truly is the hot take twitter radlib of our hearts. Pokemon go to the poles with the breadtube breakfeast club boss!

[-] Barx@hexbear.net 34 points 11 hours ago

Having organized under both Biden and Trump, it was much easier under Trump. Libs were scratched but from the "other team" so you could get them to show up to events and peel them off for political education. Under Biden they stay home and tut-tut your actions. They don't even care what Biden does.

And liberals are now embracing genocide. How is that going for you, AOC? Feeling organized?

(AOC has literally never organized)

[-] sinstrium@hexbear.net 20 points 7 hours ago

AOC had a PR team getting her elected. She isnt a working class darling that she presented herself to be. In the west none of the big leftists are.

[-] REgon@hexbear.net 23 points 7 hours ago

She worked in a bar for 6 months and was a political staffer before that. Literally doing the modern equivalent of serving in the army for one tour to get political credentials

[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 29 points 13 hours ago

Yeah you're really going to push Harris and the dems left after the leverage is gone

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 60 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

AOC says to look at voting as to which conditions would be better to organize under

I'mma be real with you AOC the left fucking exploded with members and activity during Trump's time, it was fucking fantastic, and then loads of people just checked-out when dems got in.

If this is her argument she's not really paid much attention to how things were for the left under Trump. It was absolutely fantastic for the left. Not really good for people in general but definitely a positive thing for the left.

I've made this argument many times here. I would not advocate for Trump because accelerationism is bad and you can't win the workers over by actively supporting the deterioration of their conditions but there is no doubt in my mind that the political shitstorm of riots that occurred on a regular basis while also having the liberal media AMPLIFYING that shitstorm caused a lot of growth for the real left. Meanwhile under the dems we've seen the worst rollback of rights ever with absolutely no pushback.

I recall Yanis Varoufakis being a huge pessimist about Trump losing to Biden immediately after that election and he was right about everything.

[-] REgon@hexbear.net 19 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

cool-zone

I wouldn't really call it accelerationism tbh. Conditions deteriorate more or less the same under both. The libs just feel scared under Trump. Honestly you could argue that the Dems make things worse, though there's no real way to be completely sure.

Would Hillary have done the lockdowns? Would she have negotiated the withdrawal from Afghanistan? Would she have failed coupling Venezuela? Would she have lost grasp of South America? Would she have improved relations with Russia? Would she have given out a stimulus check to every person? Would she have decreased deportations, reduced funding to police, reduced funding to the military, decreased drone bombings? Somehow I doubt it.

I guess the one thing you can point to would be the supreme court, but considering the fact Obama failed to appoint a guy for a whole year... Who knows wether Hillary would have done anything there too.
I'll be very charitable and say that lgbtq people wouldn't have persecuted federally and Charlottesville might not have happened.

On the other hand Hillary might have started a civil war. Seems like the chuds hate her like the fucking devil

[-] Barx@hexbear.net 28 points 11 hours ago

It's not accelerationist to recognize that liberals will accept every violence so long as it is coming from their team and with a glossy sheen of propriety. And that when the other team does those things suddenly they care (temporarily) and that is when we can build. Biden was arguably the accelerationist candidate geopolitically and in terms of material decay due to his normalization of COVID, even.

[-] TheModerateTankie@hexbear.net 46 points 14 hours ago

football-lucy

As soon as Biden got in "the left" went to fucking sleep and refused to pressure Biden on anything. It was "too soon". Then it was
"the parliamentarianfunkadelican said we can't do that" shrug. That transitioned into "being mad at Biden only helps republicans" because it's always fucking campaign season. The only thing they are good for is getting less evil judges in power, and they fucking suck at that too.

[-] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 30 points 13 hours ago

What they mean when they say that is that life would be better for them personally. Simple as that. They get to stay at brunch. Doesn't have shit to do with "organizing conditions", they are just selfish.

[-] REgon@hexbear.net 15 points 7 hours ago

What they mean is that under Trump you'd get disappeared by the Gestapo, which is true. The thing is you're just also gonna be disappeared by the Gestapo under Kamala, but this the libs will applaud it.

[-] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 28 points 13 hours ago

meanwhile, under Biden, unions can now be sued for damages for strikes

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 36 points 15 hours ago

Counterargument: You should vote for the one who's most likely to get assassinated.

[-] ziggurter@hexbear.net 21 points 11 hours ago

GENIUS! I may have to see how many liberals (especially the ones who actually think they are anarchists) on reddit-logo I can piss of with this.

[-] usa_suxxx@hexbear.net 53 points 16 hours ago

Like, a Trump presidency. We already lived under it. It was far superior to this

[-] theother2020@hexbear.net 63 points 16 hours ago

I’ve been seeing some version of “Vote (blue) so we’ll be in a position to fight another day” arguments for a couple weeks now.

Meanwhile the only time libs are even the tiniest bit engaged is when Trump is in the WH.

It’s all hollow in the face of the ongoing genocide that even our two supposedly pink politicians are too cowardly and ethically challenged to take a stand against. I mean Bernard and AOC, but I realize they were already feckless long before this.

[-] REgon@hexbear.net 14 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Vote (blue) so we’ll be in a position to fight another day” arguments for a couple weeks now.

Ah yes because it wasn't Biden that had cops in unmarked vans disappear people from the streets. How silly of me. Jfc. Also if a person isn't going to fight against straight up genocide, then they'll never fight

[-] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 6 points 4 hours ago

Tbf the unmarked DHS vans were under trump

Also the dems did nothing to stop it

[-] REgon@hexbear.net 4 points 3 hours ago

Oh yeah sorry i phrased it weirdly. I meant to say that biden also did the van thing

[-] sinstrium@hexbear.net 18 points 7 hours ago

Its horrible how they co-opt the suffering of others. Its palestinians and lebansese people that have the uncertainty of having another day. They'll be fine just like the last four years of trump.

[-] Rojo27@hexbear.net 50 points 16 hours ago

I mean this is just a repeat of "We can push Biden to the left". What good did that do? Now libs are asking people to do the same fucking thing all over again. No thanks. Seen this movie too many times.

[-] Coca_Cola_but_Commie@hexbear.net 37 points 15 hours ago

this is just a repeat of "We can push Biden to the left". What good did that do?

What do you mean? That worked. I mean, sure, I'll grant you that Biden didn't make any sort of push to bring about policies that help working class people, but he did pose on that UAW picket line. That's the most progressive thing an American president has done since FDR. That's progress, and like any progress it's slow. Gradual. I expect that, at this rate, in forty years we might get a president that will be willing to say out loud that it ought to be illegal to extrajudicially kill homeless people.

[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 32 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

What are you, some kind of extremist? In a century or too we’ll have a president who will send twice the strongly worded letters per week than we do now! And you will be grateful for the progress, peasant.

[-] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 33 points 16 hours ago

Everyone I know who is radicalized became so because of Trump and 2020

[-] WeedReference420@hexbear.net 45 points 16 hours ago

This is a common radlib talking point and it always makes me want to put my head in a blender

[-] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 30 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

especially since they don't organize at all.

Like what the fuck are they even talking about? All they do is watch Vaush videos and argue on Reddit, or watch Jon Oliver and get into arguments about it with their uncle.

The actual radicals I know who organize don't vote for democrats, and half the people in my union vote for the GOP

[-] HelltakerHomosexual@hexbear.net 19 points 12 hours ago

and half the people in my union vote for the GOP

to be fair, thats probably because they're deeply reactionary people who'd have been the kind of union that makes exceptions for military hardware in the middle of a strike

bad point tbh

[-] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 27 points 12 hours ago

That’s exactly my point, American unions are full of reactionaries so who do they think is doing the organizing under Biden? Half of the trade unionism is totally compatible with the rightwing, and actual radicals who do things outside of trade unionism (or entryism and salting within it) are leftwing enough to not vote Democrat either.

So who are these mythical Bidenist organizers?

[-] miz@hexbear.net 51 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

is she trying to convince people to vote for Trump? because that's not an argument to vote Harris.

[-] pierre_delecto@hexbear.net 44 points 16 hours ago

Seriously - people were so much more energized under Trump

[-] HelltakerHomosexual@hexbear.net 34 points 16 hours ago

tbf both are gonna be shit to organize under

[-] FortifiedAttack@hexbear.net 19 points 14 hours ago
[-] HelltakerHomosexual@hexbear.net 14 points 12 hours ago

not really, both are gonna be shit, and if you think the left will have that same bump again when kamala loses i dont think its gonna work this time.

plus i actually appreciate when the half assed progressives spend their time not infiltrating things and flying their fash flags in full view so i can see them.

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