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Well my US public school system spent 75% of history class and 25% of English class on the Holocaust so I’m actually feeling really well prepared for this section, the trick is not to go along with genocide if your country is supporting it
Go to school in the south, spend months on the minutiae of 1830s trade law and constitutional construction of enumerated powers, then WHOOP! We're in 1914, being dragged in to WW1 against our will!
Honestly, a bit of a canard given how much of a Dixiecrat eugenics loving imperialist shit Woodrow Wilson was.
Neo-Confederates bit hard on the Zimmerman Telegram and were some of the most enthusiastic WW1 hawks.
The Zimmerman telegram was the story that Germany was trying to convince Mexico to attack the US right? I'm deep in my memory for this one lol
That's the story, yes. There are a number of still-classified documents surrounding the Zimmerman Telegram that raise a number of questions about how it was obtained and how well it was received.
I went to (an otherwise okay, but still a catholic) school in Connecticut and I learned that we won the Vietnam War.
My dad was the right age, but neither he, nor his close family members or friends (nor my mother’s) were drafted. My friends’ parents were younger, so I didn’t personally know any Vietnam vets well enough for them to talk to me about it, and I didn’t think to doubt it. I didn’t find out until college (it was rightfully embarrassing, I was a libertarian arguing for the USA’s right to “bring democracy” to Iraq).
That's crazy it misses out all of the important bits. In the 1830s the United States was on the international stage a relative backwater by the first world war it was a major superpower. Some interesting stuff happened in the middle of those two time periods to make that switch.
Yes, but those periods didn't involve them much, they felt sidelined and resentful so they don't matter.
8 yearold me would not have been able to grasp your position and 30 yearold me can’t either. Guess I’m too soft to compromise on ethnic cleansing.
I didn’t mention third parties and will not be casting a vote for president at all as I believe the problem is regime wide. That said, 3rd parties aren’t the problem the problem is democrats promised they would vote democrat no matter what and they took your word for it and decided to ignore public opinion and international law and international courts and basic human decency and now you’re complicit in a genocide just like the german people were.
It really does feel like the people sitting on their hands are trying to be morally superior while the rest of us accept the dirty work and are doing what we can to not further enable genocide.
A vote isn't a person's whole voice. Let's take the small victory of "not a fascist" then protest the shit out of the continued US involvement with Israel. Political action doesn't just end with the election.
Not to worry, if the GOP gets their way that's the end goal in the US anyway
Nothing Would Fundamentally Change
"Nothing would fundamentally change" is superior to "everything would get a fuck-ton worse."
Not when your baseline is 2019.
I don't understand it, either. I've seen comics and comments about how not voting for a genocidal candidate might get trans people killed, while children are actively being blown apart and incinerated in hospital beds, currently, as we type.
I don't like that trans people have to live in fear. I would like them to be as comfortable in their communities as the whitest, straightest, most christian dude in Texas is in his community.
Any argument for or against the current candidates that is laced with hyperbolic slippery slopes cannot overcome the actual murdering of an entire people that's unfolding in front of us all.
I cannot buy into any argument that plays on the lesser of two evils, as we would still have to choose an evil.
Let's be clear that this isn't an easy world we live in, but I refuse to support a literal ethnic purge.
...dude you're writing off a genocide against me with "some of you may die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make" shit
You are actively advocating for people to be complicit in not preventing another genocide.
Has it happened? Are trans actively being bombed in their hospital beds? Are they being piled in the streets and run over with bulldozers, dead and alive?
To claim that trans are the victims of genocide is disingenuous and minimizes the experience of the people currently experiencing genocide.
I am not discounting the potential threat against trans in america, but Palestinians are being shot, burned, and bombed right now. Entire families, gone.
If the highly publicized project 2025 and constant rhetoric is all you're going off of, you're not paying close enough attention. The right is propping up a dementia patient like it's Weekend At Bernie's, and they're doing well.
Trump is backed by some of the world's richest people, and a super power that is known for propaganda and disinformation. If you can't tell which way the pendulum is swinging, it's not my intelligence that should be called into question.
The right learned from their mistakes when they tried to rig the last election, and they've been putting in the work. I don't know if it's naïvitè or arrogance to believe that you putting a check in a blue box is going to stop the storm that is coming. If you're waiting for November to see if you're going to be safe, you are well behind the curve.
All that bad stuff you mentioned is going to happen, they've stacked the deck and they're counting cards. This democracy is already done, you just don't see it yet.
At the end of the day, all you have control over is what you support, and apparently you're cool with supporting genocide. I'd like to be able to live with myself and not support an ethnic purge. You're going to come up with all these reasons why you're fine with selling Palestinians up the river, and still lose.
It's all good, I'd rather be a clown than rely on ad hominem to shore up the ridiculous position of defending genocide.
I mean time on the Holocaust but no time whatsoever on the 30 years before it.
How many of your classmates are Zionists? By comparison, how many are enthusiastic about First Nations civil liberties or reparations for Slavery?
mods, please deal with this
MFW I see them coming for the jews again: https://giphy.com/gifs/firstwefeast-nba-complex-lakers-1GljPAy19hO991lkvh