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[-] 312@lemm.ee 408 points 1 year ago

This is Musk’s “Reichstag Fire” moment for Twitter.

The rate limiting is not because of “extreme manipulation”, but because of piss-poor code that Twitter deployed as part of their change to only allow tweets to be viewed if logged in. Twitter is effectively DDoSing itself right now. But, it creates an opportunity for Musk to create a narrative.

These “temporary” limits will probably remain inevitably, as they provide another benefit to Twitter - they drive Blue subscriptions. Unfortunately, they also repel free users from using the platform entirely, and at a much higher ratio.

Twitter is going to become even more of a cesspool than it already is at an alarming rate. Crazy how many established social media platforms have decided to crumble at the exact same time.

[-] notExactlyI20@lemmy.world 70 points 1 year ago

Yo for real, what's up with all these social media sites literally shooting themselves in the foot as we speak?.

Youtube planning to antagonize adblock users and limiting video watching, Reddit killing itself with ~~bureocracy~~ style and now Twitter doing this shit. Hopefully shit sites like TikTok or Facebook jump on the wagon too.

[-] ashok36@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago

For reddit at least, The money from VCs dried up. They have to monetise fast or go broke.

Elon way way way overplayed for Twitter and the company is hemorrhaging money paying the loans he took out to pay for the purchase.

Google in general is in decline. Ad sales are down as the net becomes SEO'd to death. Marketing teams just aren't willing to pay for Google ads like they used to since the roi isn't there anymore.

[-] fidodo@lemmy.sdf.org 37 points 1 year ago

But there are so many ways Reddit could have played this better. It wasn't just about monetizing. The API changes were in bad faith and meant to kill 3rd party apps without flat out doing it. Users would have been understanding if they charged a reasonable amount of started injecting ads into the API feeds, but instead they went full aggro and disrespected not just the devs working to make their platform better, but the users as well. If they wanted 3rd party apps to show their ads or charge a fee to remove ads I would have been understanding, but because of the disrespect I've dropped them.

[-] SwallowsDick@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago

That plus their own app being abysmal. The official Reddit app is a terrible experience without the necessary features of the old ones

[-] jscummy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

I forgot the actual numbers, but it's downright bizarre that Reddit can't figure out how to make money. They have a massive platform that is user-moderated for free, filled with free user-created content, with third party developers creating solid apps and features, again for free. Reddit should be able to do fuck all and make money

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

but it’s downright bizarre that Reddit can’t figure out how to make money.

Because of (venture) capitalism...

They made more from people giving it to them. If the company posted a profit, they'd have to pay taxes

So they pay themselves and amass assets.

If it fails you keep your salary and sell the assets. If you owe more than that's worth, declare bankruptcy. If not, collect a check.

Startups stay in this phase right up till IPO, where they try to flip to profits as fast as possible. Then you can not only declare x profits, but y% increase in profits.

Tldr:

They're nonprofitable by choice. This method just doesn't work during a recession.

[-] knightry@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

In general, i agree with your post, but GOOG is up ~ 30% in the last 6 months. Specific parts of Google may be dwindling but their overall business is thriving right now.

[-] SJ_Zero@lemmy.fbxl.net 19 points 1 year ago

The stock is not the company, that's important to remember. The PE ratios for tech companies are totally out of whack compared to basically any other company.

Google stock is doing ok in part because they have Bard which means they're participating in the AI boom. I think that's going to turn out to be mostly hot air, but in the meantime it's helping a small number of companies stay afloat

[-] dmmeyournudes@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Idk where you got the idea that Google is in decline, but they're still the leader in search and advertising on the Internet, plus video hosting and livstreaming with YouTube. Googles only problem right now is how behind they are on AI and that they can't support a new product so no one is willing to try anything new they make.

[-] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

I really hope this the end of an era of milking the users for data and then selling that for ad money. Twitter and Facebook are switching to a subscription model, but I’m not so sure it’s actually going to reduce the amount of data they try to get from everyone.

[-] Unaffiliated_User@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

Twitter successfully sold itself to a private investment firm for over market value. That's the dream for tech startups and never-made-a-profit digital services.

Anyone still using Twitter is an addict or a boomer, but that's exactly the audience that Musk wanted to purchase.

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 year ago

The only reason twitter was popular is because you could check it for information. Towns and organizations would post updates there, it drove traffic, eyeballs, ads and revenue. This is the dumbest thing ever, even if he wanted to promote nazi ideology, it's idiotic because your only preaching to the choir. You cannot convert people when you drive them all away, so even if it wasn't about money, it's dumb.

[-] Seven@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Big social media companies are sometimes like lemmings- if one jumps off a cliff, others generally follow it because they did so

[-] Meowoem@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

The tin foil part of my brain says that they're trying to destroy media ahead of the election so they can control the narrative but really I think it's just that we've reached a point where no one is pouring free money into literally any old internet nonsense and it's turned out that this 'they're selling your data and making billions!' was never actually very true.

They pushed their website as 'we're having massive growth and with enough investment we can dominate the market!' so all the idiot 'angel Investors' threw monkey into it but that can only last so long before people say 'ok you dominate the market, now what?!'

[-] lnsfwuser@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 year ago

The world is starting to wise up to the fact that online advertising is nearly 100% fraudulent so they aren’t buying online ads as much.

[-] Meowoem@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

The tin foil part of my brain says that they're trying to destroy media ahead of the election so they can control the narrative but really I think it's just that we've reached a point where no one is pouring free money into literally any old internet nonsense and it's turned out that this 'they're selling your data and making billions!' was never actually very true.

They pushed their website as 'we're having massive growth and with enough investment we can dominate the market!' so all the idiot 'angel Investors' threw monkey into it but that can only last so long before people say 'ok you dominate the market, now what?!'

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