Is there any flavor of libertarianism that even in theory makes sense? I lump libertarians together which I guess is unfair but I only talk to them online and they always seem to so similar however they define themselves with nuance. I find them to be ridiculous, obnoxious, and selfish.
For example - at Bluesky I just had an argument with a self-described socio-libertarian who was against "disruptive" protests against climate change. The character limit at Bluesky makes an actual discussion pointless in a situation like this. But they were an asshole anyway so that limit did me a favor. And I didn't need to her some kind of fantastical thinking about the magic of the free market solving climate change.
Here's what Wikipedia has to say about libertarian socialism...
Libertarian socialism is an anti-authoritarian and anti-capitalist political current that emphasises self-governance and workers' self-management. It is contrasted from other forms of socialism by its rejection of state ownership and from other forms of libertarianism by its rejection of private property. Broadly defined, it includes schools of both anarchism and Marxism, as well as other tendencies that oppose the state and capitalism.
I will say, imho, libertarian socialism (anarcho-communism as well) is an easier pill for some to swallow as an introduction to leftist thought.
It sort of just follows the thought of "everyone will get along because they will". My real introduction to serious leftist thinking was right after I read parenti I decided to read some kropotkin and it got me into this sort of thought. And it didn't take much reading of Marx to get me out of that headspace.
Many are just unwilling to realize how a communist state is needed not only for the early formation of a communist state but also for defense against capitalist forces.
True. It was for me. Noam Chomsky is a little inaccessible, but a good example of the ethos perspective.
Being raised in the states by parents who used "Commie" as a cuss made it a difficult indoctrination to overcome to even consider the notion of a people's state requirement first before any chance at utopia.
But then I joined a Communist Minecraft server last summer and joined Hexbear and Lemmygrad and now I wonder what took me so long to come around.
I think the biggest obstacle for me personally was the notion of means-to-an-end based morality being dangerous, and how it can be used to justify any atrocity.
But stuff like gulaging unrepentant landlords is obviously justifiable lol.
Parenti is awesome.