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Do any non-corpos actually like AI slop?
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I abhor it and I think anybody who does actually like it is using it unethically: for art (which they intend to profit off of), for writing papers or articles, and for writing bad code.
I think that you’re right, with the way that our society is structured, it is unethical. It’s essentially the world’s most advanced plagiarism tool.
However, being realistic, even if no private individual ever used it, it would still exist and would be used by corporations for profit maximising.
In my opinion, telling people that they’re bad people for using something which is made unethically isn’t really helpful. For example, smartphones aren’t made ethically, but the way to get that to change isn’t to change consumer habits - because we know that just doesn’t work - it’s to get organised, as a collective working class, and take action into our own hands.
Corpos are currently shooting themselves in the foot by trying to sell an essentially useless product which only lowers the quality of everything it touches.
I'm sure someday it will replace the press number phone machines, at the cost of accessibility, but otherwise I cannot imagine it "maximising profits".
Can you seriously not imagine how a corporation could benefit from generative AI, or are you just being obstinate and saying it’s useless because you think it’s unethical and you hope that by saying it’s useless that you can effectively manifest that?
Because there are plenty of use-cases for generative AI. None of them have to be good, or even products. Your phone machine example is a good one - it’s not a product, really, it’s taking the role of a human to fulfil some obligation, or to intentionally make it harder for people to add to the company’s support burden.
I think there are some useful applications for generative AI, but I do agree that the incarnations we have are unethical. And again, I really don’t think that simply telling people that they’re bad people for using it is going to win them over to your side.
Tech bros getting mad that their bullshit machine isn't the future, cry more. I'm not here to convince you and we're not intellectual equals.
Fair enough, thank you for your time.
Totally second the latter part - it's the self destructive nature of being blindly anti-AI. Pretty much everyone would support giving more rights and benefits to people displaced by AI, but only a fraction of that group would support an anti-AI mentality. If you want to work against the negative effects of AI in a way that can actually change things, the solution is not to push against the wall closing in on you, but to find the escape.
I use it when I get stoned with my mates and think of funny shit to generate.
You missed the button to reply to OP and instead replied to somebody who didn't ask.
Why would you even comment if you don’t want to participate in a discussion?
Is this discussion? I added my answer onto the pile for OP's question. I said I dislike a thing and everyone who uses it, never at any point expressing any uncertainty or confusion on the matter. Then user b said they use it and explained how. If anything they seemed to want to be insulted, and in that sense I was quite nice about it.
Clearly, their intent was to provide an example of a relatively harmless use of AI as a way of demonstrating to you that your position may have been a bit reductive.
Your reaction, of behaving like, lets be honest, a bit of an asshole, wasn’t really warranted.
I tried really hard not to engage with this obvious bait but I guess you really want it.
If you require AI to be amused while high then congratulations you're the most disgruntled creature on the face of this earth. Too bad you're still paying for a business sampling works without permission or accrediting authors.
Shit counterpoint by a shit person.
First of all, most AI tools have some free tier. I doubt the other commenter paid a penny.
Also, just because they did it, it doesn’t mean they “required” it… I’ve laughed at cat videos before, that doesn’t mean that I require cat videos to be amused.
Whether or not there is a free tier the business profits from its use and you're a part of that.
It kind of depends on your perspective, I wouldn’t say they profit from it monetarily - they definitely make a significant loss in raw $ from free users, but there is some amount of beneficial optics for the company, if people use it for fun/harmless activity.
I think we both want the same thing. I don’t want to tone police you or any of that shit, and I believe you’re totally justified in how you feel about AI, but I really do hope you have a read of my comments from the perspective of someone who agrees with you rather than someone who is trying to pick a fight with you.
I meant to reply to you, to illustrate it's not always unethical; a point you raised, not OP.
It is always unethical and I made it very clear that people like you are people I dislike, so stop trolling and ragebait elsewhere.
I'm not trolling. Why is it unethical for me and my buddies to generate images of a duck with the head of an elephant?
For the sake of brevity, I'm just going to agree that I'm sea-lioning.
Now, explain how what I'm doing is unethical.
Do you think it's unethical because it uses stolen art?
If so, I don't think there's an issue because I'm not publishing anything I generate.
Do you think it's unethical because of the electricity usage?
If so, you could make the argument about any frivilous activity which generates electricity.
I really don't know of a compelling reason besides these two which raises a red flag for you.