The killing of Soleimani. In fact I can't think of a single foreign policy initiative that liberals protested other than the visit with Kim Jong-Un, the only good foreign policy thing that Trump did during his presidency.

yes

glory DPRK

If history is any guide, at best they’ll protest the procedure of Trump’s support of the genocide. Trump won’t follow some meaningless rubber stamping process of the shipping of arms to Israel and then the libs will say “this is wrong we’re against this” but not because of the genocide but because Trump didn’t follow the by-laws of supporting a genocide.

Oh yeah to be clear I do not think it will change the math on Gaza that much. I meant all of the issues generally, but immigration is the main one I think Trump is actually the lesser evil on.

Biden deported more people than Trump. They’ve managed to actually implement Trump’s immigration policy, which when Trump attempted to do he was unable to, due to opposition from both Dem politicians and the general public. I think Dems have greater freedom to be strict on immigration than Republicans do, because when Dems do it everyone falls in line.

The war is gonna escalate, and under Trump the liberal media is gonna be allowed to criticize his handling (under Biden they aren't allowed). That's enough for quite a lot more Gen X and millenials who get their news from the TV or from the NYT to feel a leftwards push.

People were going mad about kids in cages too, and the drone bombings for a little while. Not to mention civil rights. But yeah the one time he was "presidential" was when he dropped a big bomb in the middle east.

I still think he's better though, but that's because he's a buffoon and an isolationist. I think we'd still be in Afghanistan if it hadn't been for him

The people that are currently protesting the Gaza genocide will continue to protest no matter who is in office.

Absolutely, but Trump will spend more time demonizing them as antisemitic terrorist supporters. He's always been rabidly zionist and has always loved using leftist grassroots movements as a bogeyman, he's not gonna pass that opportunity up. Idk if that would translate into more actual repression against them, but islamophobia dressed up as fighting terrorism traditionally has a lot of traction in the US, and i do not see the Dems pushing back against that even if they would control both houses after the midterms, genocide support is a bipartisan issue after all and they will falter when Trump links the Dems to the protests like he did with BLM. It's also possible that Trump lays the ideological groundwork for more effective anti-left policies under a Dem presidency from 2028-2032. He's good at normalizing atrocities, and the Dems have shown to be eager to then implement that (see also: deportations and the Dems bragging about how they actually built the wall that Trump promised). There can absolutely be a ratchet effect in this regard.

I could also see Trump being more supportive of the genocide itself. More bombs, more open endorsement, more troops on the ground. Biden has already sent missile defense crews there, i think this still has potential for escalation, as hard as that is to imagine for many people here.

Mind you, i'm not doing a lesser evilism here, it's the morally correct choice not to pick between hand-wringing and enthusiastic genocide, but to treat this as a line that can't be crossed either way. But it's absolutely possible that things will get worse in this regard under Trump.

100%. This is the attitude of 90% of Americans. It’s exceptionalism all the way down.

That was what I was thinking of lmao

I do believe the republicans are more evil, but I also think they’re a less competent evil that by being so comical provokes a lot of pushback.

The Republicans aim to do 100% evil and only manage to do 75%, the Democrats aim for 90% evil and succeed.

See, I’m not above voting for the lesser Hitler. If I felt confident that Kamala would lead to solidly less-bad outcomes, I would go vote for her.