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The same two parties have been cycling in power for a decade and you are now voting between a fascist and a genocide supporter. Democracy already doesn't exist in USA
I've seen this same disinformation multiple times so I keep posting the refutation. Kamala wants a ceasefire.
https://lemmy.world/comment/13069715
Biden is complicit in genocide, but people in his administration have spoken out.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/biden-administration-staff-sign-open-letter-demanding-ceasefire-israel-rcna125057
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/02/politics/us-government-employees-gaza-policy-statement/index.html
Trump wants Israel to finish their genocide.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/04/politics/trump-israel-comments/index.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-israel-gaza-finish-problem-rcna141905
Democrats want a ceasefire. Republicans want genocide. Despite attempts to conflate these two positions they could not be more different.
Do not let anyone tell you we have two fascists parties. We have a neoliberal party and a fascist party. The neoliberal party is terrible on this issue, but they do not want the genocide to continue. The Palestinians, along with everyone else, will be harmed by a second Trump term. Voting for Kamala is harm reduction. If you care about anyone please vote for Harris and Walz because doing so is useful for ending the genocide.
Harris is not some random democrat party member she's the vice president of the current Biden administration. She's the second highest person in charge in the country, trying to pull her out from what the government is doing is a big stretch. You are claiming in the same post Biden to be complicit in a genocide and the democrats to want a ceasefire, stop being illogical.
Both parties are fine with the genocide going on and with israel fascist government finishing the job, this is not what i'm telling you it's what is happening live right now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Israel_in_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war
The vice president doesn't have the power you argument asserts she does.
https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/what-is-the-constitutional-role-of-the-vice-president
Stop ignoring evidence that refutes your argument's central point.
Interesting. Which candidate is supporting genocide, and which way are they supporting it?
In fact both parties are fascists and supporting a genocide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Israel_in_the_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
I guess we'll have to consider other factors, then. Like which one is promising to be a dictator, Blood Libeling Haitians, and promising to deport millions.
Open and read links posted and consider what you want.
Oh, I have already considered. I want the one that is not all but promising to industrial genocide immigrants (what do you think mass deportation is?), guaranteeing women lose more rights, guaranteeing LGBT people lose more rights.
BoTh SiDeS
On this particular issue: yes
On other issues: not as much
Yes both sides are supporting a genocide and both sides engage in fascist practices
Please explain how the Democrats are the fascists here?
The US government (the red and blue party who have been cycled in power for a century) engage and has a long history of engaging in fascist practices. Such as sending billions in aid or selling weapons to far-right governments (israel) or dictatorship (saudi arabia), the creation of a dystopian mass surveillance system capable of peeping at the average person at any give time, or the historical involvement in false flag operations like the bombing of piazza fontana.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piazza_Fontana_bombing#Political_theories_of_responsibility_for_the_bombing
Wow you must think pretty much every first world nation is fascist then. It takes more than what you're saying to be fascist. Far right governments existed before fascism , and while America is far from progressive, it's not really fascist either.
Sadly that's the reality of the world we live in. Name a single first world nation in the world that isn't ruled by corrupted politicians or that isn't a police state ready to beat people at the first occasion.
While the policies of modern states may not be as violent and radical as that of fascist regimes from the past keep in mind that never in history nations had so much control and influence over people. Mass surveillance is something hitler or mussolini would have dream of.
Well you're going to end up with one of the two so you can either pick the shinier of the two turds or you can vote to kill yourself. Or you can abstain and by doing so also vote to kill yourself.
If we had a better option we'd be on it. We don't. This isn't a complex issue. Trump will destroy America, destroy America's economy and future, and destroy Palestine completely. Harris will give us more of the status quo. This isn't even a decision. We can worry about the next steps after we've defused the bomb ticking away in front of us. There is no other argument that can be made.
Plenty of options that you are not even considering because you are victim of propaganda. Bombs don't tick watch the combat footage videos from ukraine or gaza.