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Who are the good guys in the Israel/Palestine conflict?
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💯 this. The people doing the kidnapping, murdering, and genocide are the bad guys. The people trying to help are the good guys.
The people violently resisting a genocide are also good guys.
If someone is trying to kill you and everyone who looks like you, shooting back is good.
Shooting back is not only good, but necessary for survival.
Folks throughout these threads would've been wringing their hands over occupier civilians killed in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, acting like they just can't tell who's right or wrong.
About the Warsaw Uprising, I thought the targets were purely German military, so while a close analogy to how Hamas framed their action, it's not exact.
The Warsaw Uprising was an open air prison/ghetto break with a wide number of participants, both organized and not. Those facing violence by the people seeking to fight their genociders were not just those in the military. It was anyone in the way or supporting them, per individuals' wonts.
In addition, Hamas et al (Hamas was not the only organized group participating 10/7) did also focus on military targets while also taking hostages from a wider set. It is important to note that kibbutzim, little settler colonies, are often militarized and fired on them and others.
What sources do you have on German civilian casualties during the Warsaw Uprising?
Direct accounts. Here is one.
https://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/Holocaust/warsaw-uprising.html
Thanks for the resource. Couldn't find references to casualties on German civilians inflicted by the ZOB, it's all SS, Gestapo, and soldiers.
That's the closest I can find. And "individuals who collaborated with the Germans" suggest Jews considered as traitors
If you don't consider current and former cops (collaborator gestapo) to be in that category then presumably you would say the same for current and former IDF soldiers, i.e. basically every Israeli swttler, especially in kibbutzim.
I mean, let's say they are for the sake of argument, what Palestinian kibbutzim/IDF did Hamas target on Oct 7? That's an apples-to-apples analogy of the source provided.
Did the ZOB seek out people like German women, children, elderly?
Kibbutz and IDF are Israeli settler entities, not Palestinian.