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Plans to ban smoking outside hospitals and schools in England
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Hard disagree. Fuck off nanny state.
Ban smoking with proven second hand smoke inhalation effects - sure, incredible overreach but at least there's some semblance of logic, but vaping?
Just...Why? After 20 years of being studied every which way still no negative health effects at all have been found, not first-hand, not second-hand, but what has been found is that it's an extremely good smoking cessation device that actually gets people to stop smoking.
Nah fuck off, bus stops were bad enough but good luck enforcing this, everybody still puffing away at every bus stop and more and more just brazenly on trains and not about to stop anytime soon. Bad enough that not allowing vaping in restaurants/cinemas/cafes/bars is going to utterly obliterate the high street.
Nice try to derail the conversation.
This is about smoking tobacco in children playgrounds, outside hospitals and schools. Explaining it again, because there’s also the chance you’re just a bit thick.
Concerning vaping: Disposable vapes will be banned. That’s it. Wanna rage against that?
Probably you do so because you got your fodder in the Murdoch papers and just need to regurgitate your breakfast. Judging by the lingo.
Not exclusively. Please re-read the article and then familiarise yourself with the bill, particularly the following excerpts are relevant:
From the government: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/smoking-ban-introduced-to-protect-children-and-most-vulnerable
(Emphasis mine)
This may sound reasonable, but surely the issue of e.g. a child vaping outside of a school is covered by the fact they shouldn't be vaping as a child anywhere, and thus would either have the vape confiscated by parents taking them home or school staff? Is it currently a large problem of adults vaping outside of schools? Who would do this specifically? Such regulation placed on adults seems just unnecessary.
Unless of course: it's not actually about the children as it tends to be with Murdoch newspaper moral panic-steered policy and is instead a much broader attack on vaping as a culture war issue, which is supported by the broad far less "reasonable" powers granted by this bill as per below:
As you can see, your statement
Is flat-out untrue. This is by far not the extent of it clearly.
If I cared to speculate I'd say this is an attempt to win back the elderly vote after the winter fuel payments turned off a lot of those voters.
I'm really very sorry, and I do not want to embarrass you, but it appears you're referring to yourself there. It's okay. No one is immune to propaganda and we cannot all dive deep on all topics all the time.
It’s all about the language I guess. Fucking off the nanny state or sensing a culture war against vapes, really?, is the language currently used by the aforementioned press.
It seems the government is going to consult about extending a vape ban, while the disposable ban and the smoking ban is what is coming now.
Vaping used to be a cool thing for quitting cigs, but it’s become a zombie and is making a lot of kids addicted to nicotine.
Where does it say they want to ban vaping outside schools & hospitals? This is specifically about smoking.
This may sound reasonable, but surely the issue of e.g. a child vaping outside of a school is covered by the fact they shouldn't be vaping as a child anywhere, and thus would either have the vape confiscated by parents taking them home or school staff?
This is where I am worried the government is overstepping.
Yeah let's kill all the children.
They don't burning smoking your idiot they're bunning smoking outside of hospitals and schools it's right there in the title.
Is this meant to be sarcasm?
I know quite a few people who started vaping, but then smoking as well. Their logic seems really backwards to me, but what do I know...
Most people i know smoke, then vape to stop smoking and then they do both just to go back to smoking again. It's just a horrible habit all together. It's disgusting, unhealthy, cigarette litter is everywhere. In fact it's so much so everywhere that we just decided that cigarette butts isn't garbage and can be disposed literally everywhere.
I'm sorry, this must be awful for you. However we cannot base policy decisions on "most people" known by some guy, especially concerning the sensitive potential of government overreach.