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Plans to ban smoking outside hospitals and schools in England
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Hard disagree. Fuck off nanny state.
Ban smoking with proven second hand smoke inhalation effects - sure, incredible overreach but at least there's some semblance of logic, but vaping?
Just...Why? After 20 years of being studied every which way still no negative health effects at all have been found, not first-hand, not second-hand, but what has been found is that it's an extremely good smoking cessation device that actually gets people to stop smoking.
Nah fuck off, bus stops were bad enough but good luck enforcing this, everybody still puffing away at every bus stop and more and more just brazenly on trains and not about to stop anytime soon. Bad enough that not allowing vaping in restaurants/cinemas/cafes/bars is going to utterly obliterate the high street.
Nice try to derail the conversation.
This is about smoking tobacco in children playgrounds, outside hospitals and schools. Explaining it again, because there’s also the chance you’re just a bit thick.
Concerning vaping: Disposable vapes will be banned. That’s it. Wanna rage against that?
Probably you do so because you got your fodder in the Murdoch papers and just need to regurgitate your breakfast. Judging by the lingo.
Not exclusively. Please re-read the article and then familiarise yourself with the bill, particularly the following excerpts are relevant:
From the government: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/smoking-ban-introduced-to-protect-children-and-most-vulnerable
(Emphasis mine)
This may sound reasonable, but surely the issue of e.g. a child vaping outside of a school is covered by the fact they shouldn't be vaping as a child anywhere, and thus would either have the vape confiscated by parents taking them home or school staff? Is it currently a large problem of adults vaping outside of schools? Who would do this specifically? Such regulation placed on adults seems just unnecessary.
Unless of course: it's not actually about the children as it tends to be with Murdoch newspaper moral panic-steered policy and is instead a much broader attack on vaping as a culture war issue, which is supported by the broad far less "reasonable" powers granted by this bill as per below:
As you can see, your statement
Is flat-out untrue. This is by far not the extent of it clearly.
If I cared to speculate I'd say this is an attempt to win back the elderly vote after the winter fuel payments turned off a lot of those voters.
I'm really very sorry, and I do not want to embarrass you, but it appears you're referring to yourself there. It's okay. No one is immune to propaganda and we cannot all dive deep on all topics all the time.
It’s all about the language I guess. Fucking off the nanny state or sensing a culture war against vapes, really?, is the language currently used by the aforementioned press.
It seems the government is going to consult about extending a vape ban, while the disposable ban and the smoking ban is what is coming now.
Vaping used to be a cool thing for quitting cigs, but it’s become a zombie and is making a lot of kids addicted to nicotine.
Isn't there? Every time someone dies who happened to also vape the first to report is the Daily Heil and The Sun etc, then follow the Tory establishment mouthpieces who shy away less and less from culture war shite as long as they dress it up all nice for Surrey wine moms.
It's almost as if the old business like Murdoch and Philip Morris interests are playing you to hate vaping so they can get it banned and win back marketshare from the shenzen vape/gadget mega industry that absolutely obliterated them.
It's almost as if the people in charge of these have read a history book once and know prohibition of drugs - including nicotine - doesn't work and they want to corner a market which is still a ton of money.
And it's almost as if the disposable grift from the shenzen slop factories gave them the perfect storm to jump on this due to bad optics (stickers on bins) and you're a pawn caught in-between, forced to abandon all reason and even a pretense of objectivity, driven to a steaming fervour about things that have zero impact on your life to push for illiberal restrictive authoritarian policies restricting the freedoms of some unknown "others".
If you could just realize this, instead of defending conglomerates on your free time, then maybe we'd be in a better world right now. I hope it makes some sense.
Yes, this bill gives them the power to do so, which in itself signals intention fairly well when you add onto it the specificity of other restrictions mentioned (packaging, flavour) and the existence of the new vape tax alongside it.
Yeah this goes without saying - don't smoke, kids. Don't vape, either. Even if it's harmless it's a waste of money and while I like it most people wish they never started.
That also however doesn't mean that adults shouldn't get the option of vaping without the morality police peeking in.
You're being asked to smoke away from children and sick people you prick. Nobody gives a shit about your addiction and lack of willpower. Nobody is stomping on your rights, you're just weak
What the fuck are you even on about? Where did I mention addiction, smoking, willpower, weak or any of those other things you're referring to? Are the looney bins full too?
Where does it say they want to ban vaping outside schools & hospitals? This is specifically about smoking.
This may sound reasonable, but surely the issue of e.g. a child vaping outside of a school is covered by the fact they shouldn't be vaping as a child anywhere, and thus would either have the vape confiscated by parents taking them home or school staff?
This is where I am worried the government is overstepping.
Fuck vapes and fuck vapers. I don't want to breathe your cloud of toxic fake-fruit-smelling shit.
And so what? Plenty of things I do not like, cars, chippies, fast food, non-brutalist architecture, low-rise buildings, smoking, weed and weed people (nothing against drugs, just weed), etc.
But I understand that others do like those things and that we don't all have to like the same things, and when in a public space with others I will inevitably be exposed to those other things and I don't think it's reasonable in any society with some degree of individual freedoms to campaign the government to ban every single thing I dislike.
We should ban some things, but only with good cause, i.e. the bully XL ban, just too dangerous as it stands.
Vaping is harmless for the vaper and for the non-vaper. You are hurt far more by pollution than anything like this.
Fuck vapers billowing out their enormous clouds of nauseating, fetid, fruit guffs. I don't want to smell your straw-fucking-berry exhalation, you self-absorbed wankers.
Yeah let's kill all the children.
They don't burning smoking your idiot they're bunning smoking outside of hospitals and schools it's right there in the title.
Is this meant to be sarcasm?
It's pretty clear what I meant they're not banning smoking they are banning smoking outside of hospitals.
Jesus you go out of your way to be an obtuse idiot
No it's not clear at all what you meant, because you used these things called letters in such a wrong capacity that it was no longer possible to successfully guess the meaning of your presumably stroke-induced ramble.
Not that it would've helped as literally none of what you said is at all relevant to anything I said whatsoever.
I think you've just demonstrated that you're not at all interested in rigorous intellectual discourse and instead merely interested in trying to engage in some kind of one-upmanship.
I know quite a few people who started vaping, but then smoking as well. Their logic seems really backwards to me, but what do I know...
Most people i know smoke, then vape to stop smoking and then they do both just to go back to smoking again. It's just a horrible habit all together. It's disgusting, unhealthy, cigarette litter is everywhere. In fact it's so much so everywhere that we just decided that cigarette butts isn't garbage and can be disposed literally everywhere.
I'm sorry, this must be awful for you. However we cannot base policy decisions on "most people" known by some guy, especially concerning the sensitive potential of government overreach.