92
Beware of Tankies — a warning for all feds and unbewitting assets
(antidotezine.com)
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 08 Nov 2024
92 points (95.1% liked)
chapotraphouse
13517 readers
1103 users here now
Banned? DM Wmill to appeal.
No anti-nautilism posts. See: Eco-fascism Primer
Gossip posts go in c/gossip. Don't post low-hanging fruit here after it gets removed from c/gossip
founded 3 years ago
MODERATORS
Lumping traits of bad orgs like sheltering abusers with traits of orgs you disagree with like "defending authoritarian governments" into one definition is actually gross.
Also these two traits are actually common among ML orgs in my experience and I wish they'd cut it out:
This is a symptom of play-acting at being the One Important Group that will lead to the revolution. It reduces the total pool of active organizational talent by destroying something that's probably already working, and removing a place where a group can learn to organize. It destroys the resiliency possible from a web of organization. Exchange contact info and get on each other's mailing lists instead.
I don't know if this is more play-acting or just people's minds being poisoned by capitalist bureaucracies. It wastes time and makes actual organization harder. Establish communication channels and interpersonal relationships instead.
Hard agree on the first one.
The second is a matter of degrees I think. Bureaucracy gets a bad rep, but it can be essential to ensure that especially action focused org don't descend into just a discussion group, and also it offers some protection against cops and wreckers deliberately trying to derail orgs. If you've got the kind of bureaucracy where you're having meetings about voting on a meeting chair for the next meeting or whatever, then you've already failed on those points anyway.
i see critical thinking went out the window for half your analysis but came back hesitantly probing at the god awful detatched-ness of the second.
I just read your reply to Owl above on the first point and think we agree on most of that.
Organising needs to be collaborative, organising seminars are good, mailing lists or newsletters aren't a substitute for action and relationships.
I have however been around some orgs over the years, especially much smaller ones unsurprisingly, that have been borderline hostile to the idea of not only collaborative organising but every other organisation in general. They certainly weren't collaborating or incorporating other groups or activists to achieve anything.
I read Owl's first point as specifically talking about that kind of behaviour from a limited number of experiences, not a blanket sweeping statement of vendetta against ML groups in general, as you seem to have. Which I suspect is a big part of our disagreement here.
Anyway, I hope you got that beauty sleep comrade.