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The prospect of Trump returning to power in the United States next year has raised questions about the future of the conflict, as the Republican has been critical of US military aid to Kyiv. Zelensky spoke a day after saying the war will end "sooner" than it otherwise would have done once Trump becomes president.

He also spoke a day after Russian President Vladimir Putin held his first phone call with a major Western leader, speaking to German Chancellor Olaf Scholz who initiated the call despite Kyiv's objections.

"For our part, we must do everything we can to ensure that this war ends next year. We have to end it by diplomatic means," Zelensky said in an interview with Ukrainian radio.

There have been no meaningful talks between Russia and Ukraine, but Trump's re-election has plunged the attritional conflict's future into uncertainty, with the Republican repeatedly promising to cut a quick deal to end the war.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has said he will only accept talks with Ukraine if Kyiv surrenders Ukrainian territory that Moscow occupies. The Kremlin said he repeated that demand in the phone conversation with Scholz on Friday. Zelensky has rejected Putin's conditions.

Zelensky said on Saturday that Russian forces were suffering heavy losses and that the advance had "slowed down" in some areas. Ukraine was "at war with a state that does not value its people, that has a lot of equipment, that does not care how many people die", he added.

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[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago

You seem to answer a question I didn't ask.

No one thinks Trump will arm Russia lol. Neither that the EU must buy american weapons to arm Ukraine, we have a military industry and the budget to roll over putin if we have the political will to do so all by ourselves.

It seriously feels like this is some chatgpt answer.

[-] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Well, first, you didn't ask a question. You made statements that seemed divorced from the geopolitical and military reality of the EU, so I offered some clarity. And no one thinks Trump will arm Russia? I think perhaps you forget how fond of Putin he and much of the party taking power in the US is.

No one said the EU will need to buy American arms. What I said is, if Trump decides to stop arming Ukraine and demands they end the war, and the EU decides to compensate Ukraine for what is no longer being provided by the United States, it's quite possible Trump will withdraw the US from NATO. He's already looking for an excuse.

If you think you can build a military coalition with 70% of the spend suddenly stopping, by all means. What is more likely, as I said, is the withdrawal of the US from NATO would dramatically hamper its effective strength as a deterrent in the region. You would then need to rely on individual member states to attempt to deter or defend from Russian aggression.

The US has a unified, centralized military with a clear and consolidated command structure across all of its branches with a military spending allocation 4x greater than the entire EU combined. The EU is a somewhat collaborative collection of nations with widely variant defense policies. Because of that, the EU channels the majority of its defense strategy through NATO, within which the US plays an irrefutably dominant role. Many of its smaller members' defense strategies, Estonia for instance, amount to "try to die slowly for two weeks until NATO arrives." Without the US in NATO, nations near Russia like the aforementioned Estonia could be in serious danger.

The idea that the EU could unilaterally "roll over" Russia if the US leaves NATO is unlikely, and extremely unlikely if it causes the US to start providing military support to Russia. That goes to my final point, which is, if you think you're right, go ahead and try, and we'll see how it goes. Fortunately, the leaders of the member countries in NATO are generally not as ignorant as you are, so the likely outcome here is if Trump stops helping Ukraine and tells them to end the war, then Ukraine will end up ceding territory and the war will "end."

To be clear, none of these things happening are what I would consider good or positive possibilities. You may not like it, and I certainly don't, but the idea that the EU will just "go it alone" flies in the face of the political and military reality of the United States and the EU. If you give Trump an excuse to exit NATO, he absolutely will, and the EU will then have serious challenges ahead. The economic impact of attempting to replace even half of the military power that will disappear if the US withdraws would dramatically reshape the EU economy. And not for the better. And that's not even going into what China would do with the EU if this kind of political and military realignment occurred.

To be blunt, even as a union, the EU is not a superpower, especially militarily. Its member-states are, obviously, even less so. Its strength is generally in the arena of so-called "soft power." What I'm discussing here is hard power.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world -2 points 8 hours ago

Wow, armchair generals unite.

I mean I know that I don't know enough but like we can always speculate with what we know right? No need to do that any longer because we have you here telling us how trump will act.

[-] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Why are you so defensive about someone discussing the topic you yourself brought up? Was this thread only supposed to be vague platitudes?

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world -1 points 8 hours ago

Because you don't discuss, you're just doing word salad.

I didn't bring up what you are talking about either, and who said it should be about plattitudes?

Dude.

[-] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Everything is word salad if you struggle with basic literacy.

I'll block you, that will make things easier for both of us.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 0 points 8 hours ago

Lol like it's my fault you can't write.

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