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[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I did, but you just keep ignoring it. However, since you keep insisting I'll link some more as was widely reported by western media. The fact that you keep pretending they don't exist shows that you're a liar.

And of course, then there are nazis running rampant in Ukraine including the highest levels of government

Any non-russian sources for that claim?

Plenty, even Nuland has admitted this just recently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiS2dg_atfc

Ukrainian negotiators confirmed it https://www.aaronmate.net/p/ukraines-top-negotiator-confirms

Arestovich confirmed it it https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1975okx/ua_pov_arestovich_in_english_says_he_and_the_rest/

A member of the negotiating team confirming this https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/11/24/7430282/

The fact that you don't know this shows what an utter ignoramus you are. I guess one has to be to ally himself with fascists.

And no, the war would not be over, you’d have guerilla war for decades. You understand nothing of Slavic mentality nor know nothing of the history of the region.

Both my parents were born in Ukraine you sad troll, I think I understand Slavic mentality perfectly well. Something ignorant nazi boot lickers such as yourself will never understand.

Any non-russian sources for that claim? And no, the war would not be over, you’d have guerilla war for decades.

There won't be any guerrilla war for decades because all the fascists you love so much have gone to die on the front already or fled the country. At this point the fascist regime you support is reduced to kidnapping people off the street and gang pressing them to fight.

Finally, let me educate you a bit on Ukraine since you're utterly clueless about it. It was cobbled together by USSR and eastern parts of Ukraine were part of Russia, and are inhabited by Russian speaking people who see themselves as Russian. Again, don't take my word for it. We can take a look at a few slides from this lecture that Mearsheimer gave back in 2015 to get a bit of background on the subject. Mearsheimer is certainly not pro Russian in any sense, and a proponent of US global hegemony. First, here's the demographic breakdown of Ukraine:

here's how the election in 2004 went:

this is the 2010 election:

As we can clearly see from the voting patterns in both elections, the country is divided exactly across the current line of conflict. Furthermore, a survey conducted in 2015 further shows that there is a sharp division between people of eastern and western Ukraine on which economic bloc they would rather belong to:

Ukraine is not some homogeneous blob, but a large country with complex cultural and ethnic situations. Most people outside western parts of Ukraine never wanted this war, and they just want the war to end. The way this all ends is that everything except the nationalist rump state will be absorbed into Russia and then Europe will be left to deal with the remaining far right nationalist who will feel betrayed by you lot, and who have been making contacts with fascists all across Europe this whole time, sending them all the weapons that disappeared. Enjoy what's coming to you.

[-] harcesz@szmer.info 1 points 7 months ago

None of this justfies invading another country, unless you want to justify invasion of Afghanistan or Iraq.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

You don't have to justify all invasions to justify some invasions?

[-] harcesz@szmer.info 1 points 6 months ago

If someones argument justifies pretty much any invasion, including some of the most egregious and vile wars in history there might be something wrong with the argument, or holding such an opinion.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago

But it doesn't? Iraq is on the other side of the world from the US, Ukraine is on Russia's border, they're just totally different contexts.

[-] harcesz@szmer.info 1 points 6 months ago

Oh but oil prices are the single most important factor to US policy, so any country that can influence them is a threat obviously? Just as much as possible Ukrainian NATO border is, but Finish NATO border is not, you know, it's all logical!

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

You realize Finland is farther North than Ukraine? There's lots of ice most of the year. With hilly terrain. And it's very forested. There's not a lot of actual crossing points in that border, in an invasion it would require building lots of infrastructure that just doesn't exist. Moving troops and tanks across the border would be slow and difficult. I think Russia would change its tune on Finland if they suddenly started building lots of infrastructure to enable border crossing, but for now it's not really a threat.

[-] harcesz@szmer.info 1 points 6 months ago

Ever heard of north passage opening? Basically main economic oportunity for Russia other then its raw materials?

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago

Yes, that would change geopolitics dramatically. That also probably won't happen for a few decades until the ice caps melt a lot more, though.

[-] harcesz@szmer.info 1 points 6 months ago
[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

For now shipping services between Europe and Asia via the North remain limited to a 3-4 months summer window, but as sea ice retreats earlier in summer and returns later in winter more operators will surely look to the Arctic for new opportunities.

Like I said. In a few decades the Northern passage will just be an open sea route most of the year.

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