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submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by maplebar@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

I don't want to single anyone out, but whenever I browse Lemmy for new communities I feel like it's not uncommon to find ones that only have 0-2 posts in them from months (or even as much as 2 years) ago.

I get why it happens: every time Reddit or some other platform does some crazy anti-user shit there's a big flood of interest in Lemmy and the Fediverse again, and with it a rush of people making communities (often trying to quickly clone popular subreddits).

But it seems that after some time they either get bored or disappointed that they weren't able to grow things as fast as they wanted, and then they just take off, leaving nothing but a ghost community behind--nobody posting anything and effectively unmoderated from what I can tell. That's my experience at least.

Of course, people can always create entirely new servers with an entirely new set of communities. But it feels like a shame that there are so many effectively dead communities on otherwise popular servers due to the fact that the people who created them never put any work in and just up 'n' left.

  • Have you run into many "ghost communities" during your time on Lemmy?
  • Do you think it's a problem now?
  • Will it be a problem in the future?
  • If so, what can/should we do about it?
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[-] Chocrates@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

I used to be sad that I couldn't find the same communities here, but I realized I need to be the change.

If I want to chat about something that doesn't exist Ill create a dead community and post in it from time to time. Come watch me grow algae at /c/spirulina

[-] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 months ago

That's why i started !comm_revival@lemmy.dbzer0.com - feel free to advertise any of those dead comms and find some mods / posters for it :D

[-] Flagstaff@programming.dev 2 points 3 months ago

Interesting, nice initiative! I learned about places that I didn't know existed through it.

[-] sxan@midwest.social 2 points 3 months ago

I think starting a community in Lemmy is hard; I don't know if it's harder than Reddit. Most Reddit channels have king been established. I suspect it's an unexpected negative consequence of Federation. On Reddit, there's one Linux community - there can only be one because of the centralized nature is Reddit. If someone wants to rebel dns start their own, they have to get creative with the naming. But users go looking for Linux, they find the one big one, and it has thousands of subscribers and that's the one they join. Maybe they find out it's full of incels and go looking and find !nice_linux and join that.

On Lemmy, there are dozens on Linux communities; nearly as many as there are servers. Which do you join and post to? I think it contributes to ghost communities.

One thing I've noticed is that the successful communities are started by a passionate, prolific, consistent poster who creates content that keeps people coming back. The really successful ones eventually get organic contributors, but some are mostly carried by one person. !superbowl@lemmy.world, for instance, is very popular for a Lemmy community, but it's carried almost exclusively by @anon6789@lemmy.world. He(?) posts multiple times a day, runs owl-of-the-year contests; just a bunch of work. There are lots of engaged commenters, but few posters. I like to think it he wound down others would pick up the slack, and eventually, I think it could run without him. But man, that guy puts a lot of hours into running that community.

[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Hell, I run a ghost community. I did indeed port it over from reddit, just out of spite. But to be fair, it was pretty ghosty over there, too.

I'm not too worried about it. I just don't have much to post about just now. It's not hurting anything.

[-] maplebar@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Sure, but the fact that you're at least still active on Lemmy and paying attention makes it less of a problem.

The ghost communities I'm really talking about are the ones where you click on the moderator's profile and find that they don't even seem to be active on Lemmy much at all anymore. At that point, those communities have zero chance of growing because they'll quickly be unmoderated, and to my knowledge we have nothing like Reddit's "subreddit request" in place where unmoderated communities can be taken over from absent moderators.

Obviously not every community is going to be super active all the time, that's not a problem. The problem are the communities on popular servers that have "reserved" good names, are inactive and effectively unmoderated. Those types of communities are only serving to pollute the namespace of the most popular servers, imo.

[-] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 months ago

Instance admins can hand out unmoderated communities to new mods themselves, provided it’s on their instance of course. If your instance has a /c/main or something I’m sure you could ask there about getting a community transferred to you if you want it, or at least get pointed in the right direction.

[-] BlemboTheThird@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago

Doesn't even have to be your instance, just whatever instance the community is on.

[-] ApollosArrow@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

It really isn’t as big of an issue in the large scheme. As others pointed out the instance Admins can give you control. I myself have taken two that were abandoned. Maybe having this information front and center may help with awareness. I didn’t know it was even an option until someone told me. I was stuck in my reddit ways and assumed I needed to start a new community.

[-] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

If there is a community that is clearly abandoned and you want to put in the work you can request mod status from an instance admin

[-] Rogue@feddit.uk 1 points 3 months ago

A ghost community doesn't really affect anyone.

But if people do want bustling communities they just need to give them broader appeal and only splinter into niches when the demand arises.

For example rather than creating a community for a specific British 1960s sci-fi TV show. An existing retro TV community is probably sufficient, or failing that a general TV community.

[-] lemmie689@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Came across this, comm_revival is about reviving dead communities.

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/c/comm_revival

https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/29746107

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 1 points 3 months ago

Nail on the head, and yes it does.

I like the trend I'm seeing of people stepping up to mod and run ghost communities. Most communities would take off - with a bit of love and care. (That usually means you are the only poster for quite a while though, while lurkers quietly upvote).

I would like to see a more regulated way of taking over ghost communities, like having a vote system for a community taking itself back if mods don't respond in X weeks or something. Lemmy world has a good system with their lemmy world support channel though, or at least it appears that way.

I think the biggest cause of this on Lemmy is having duplicate communities on different servers. Inevitably one of them becomes the most active, and people kind of stop posting on the others.

Is there a way of merging the posts from one into another if the recipient gives permission? Most topics only really need one community.

[-] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 months ago

Is there a way of merging the posts from one into another if the recipient gives permission? Most topics only really need one community.

Lock the old community and point to the new one.

!football@lemmy.world for instance

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