i don’t even know if this is good or if i stand by it 100% but it’s a helluva lot better (less tone deaf) than the other one ☺️
Voting is so ineffective that Republicans (and other far-right people) try to make it harder to everyone...
the nice thing about drawings is that you can make them say whatever you like
with real people, there's all this inconvenient stuff. Like, for example, what they are actually doing and saying.
What's the original, out of curiosity?
OP edited out the tent behind the campus protester. I can’t remember the sign they held, but it was pro-Palestine.
it was literally just the palestine 🇵🇸 flag :( like how patronizing is that?
“i’m busy”— stfu patrick 🥲😅
TLDR: comparison is the thief of actually having a good political discussion.
I’m getting kinda sick of this “both sides” discourse.
On one hand, you’ve got a slightly reductionist view that crushes discussion (“Biden and trump are the same, they support the capitalist class”). It also fails to frame the discussion in a way that is actually productive, since saying the jump is a bit big for most people to make, and if you are trying to point out similarities from candidates that are different in some ways you only make it easy to point out whatever differences exist. Rather than discussing the similarities, you are now talking about their differences. Congratulations, you’ve now ruined a potentially useful conversation. Your reductionist view has done nothing to further discussions and now some people hate you.
On the other hand, you often run into whataboutisms. I’ve compared trump and biden in ways that make them similar, and instead of saying “Huh, both of those people have the same fascistic border policy, maybe we should talk about it” it turns into “But think of the children that biden isn’t separating from their families!” Biden’s enthusiastic support of a state carrying out a blatant genocide and trump’s support of the same state is terrifying, but the “Well trump would let them do it faster” is exhausting. No shit the fascist in all categories is gonna support increasing the speed of the genocide. That isn’t the point of that discussion, and it’s obvious to everyone that it is the case. And this constant comparison with trump never lets Biden stand on his own.
Look, i’m gonna be frank and say I hate Biden, if you haven’t already noticed from my writing. i’ve hated him before October 7th, so don’t worry, I’m not only angry about his genocidal enthusiasm. I’m an anarchist and I’m not electoralist, so finding a candidate I like is a minor impossibility. I’m also queer and have queer folk that I love deeply so I’m not making any decisions about hating the one not anti-queer candidate we’ve got lightly.
No shit the fascist in all categories is gonna support increasing the speed of the genocide. That isn’t the point of that discussion, and it’s obvious to everyone that it is the case
But it's not obvious to everyone. I just made a thread that was filled with people saying otherwise. Another post was made 24 hours ago that was filled with people saying otherwise. There are people in THIS comment section saying otherwise.
You were seeing people say that trump wouldn’t speed up the genocide? I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone make that claim in good faith, except possibly in relation to what trump was saying about the war needing to end because of optics, but that’s a whole different can of worms regarding why he is saying it and stuff.
Or were you seeing people say “Why does that matter when the problem should be about the presence of genocide, rather than the rate of it”
Some choice examples:
First, Democrats would actually oppose genocide if Trump was president. The largest protest movement in American history happened under Trump! Under Biden, Democrats just stay home and scold anyone who protests for hurting Biden’s election chances.
Second, Trump is a fucking moron. He’ll fuck it up. Trump would alienate Israel even more, turning it into a pariah state. Trump would weaken and isolate the US hegemon even further, driving more and more countries into China’s arms. Trump might even trigger the collapse of the US itself, the collapse of NATO, the collapse of ECOWAS, the collapse of ASEAN, thus freeing the world of the Great Satan’s empire. Inshallah~
The 6 Palestinians I know (from protests in the US), 2 in Gaza and 1 in the West Bank they all tell me they could care less Biden vs Trump, But if has to be one… with Trump there is more chances of change in the region, even at the cost of more lives. Besides, it will be far easier to regional countries and the European ones to distance from a link between Trump’s US and Israel.
The same thing will continue happening regardless who is elected. You didn’t progress to genocide from one day to the next, this was a slow cook over the last 50 years which wasn’t affected at all by the ruling puppet.
And Trump being elected wouldn’t change anything because Biden is already fully onboard
No matter who wins this November, Palestinians are still going to suffer from this genocide, because neither side is going to stop Israel. It’s not going to be better or worse with Trump
Whether it’s the guy who wants them to kill every Palestinian, or the guy who is gonna sit there and let them kill every Palestinian while wringing his hands and reaffirming the unconditional support for Israel, the Palestinians are still dead and murdered. The fact that you’re arguing that one side is better is absolutely fucking absurd.
You were seeing people say that trump wouldn't speed up the genocide?
None of these are saying trump won't speed up the genocide.
The first one is probably the worst take, not gonna lie. While I love the first and third sentence, since it points out a campist tendency people tend to have, the rest of the take is genuinely bad. Accelerationism is a terrible ideology. The second one is dubious, and the rest are hard to judge without context.
I think you should read the last one again.
Whether it’s the guy who wants them to kill every Palestinian, or the guy who is gonna sit there and let them kill every Palestinian while wringing his hands and reaffirming the unconditional support for Israel, the Palestinians are still dead and murdered. The fact that you’re arguing that one side is better is absolutely fucking absurd.
This isn't a both sides take. Sure, it is comparing both sides, but the thing that makes it difference is they are arguing about the absurdity of the lesser evil argument whether or not it should even be considered valid.
I think that there's an important takeaway in that. At what point is arguing about who has the better pro-genocide policies a waste of time? Instead of working towards change, it is just enforcing apathy and powerlessness.
Also, that last one is a better phrasing of what I said earlier: "Why does that matter when the problem should be about the presence of genocide, rather than the rate of it”
If you are seeing that as problematic, I'm genuinely concerned.
That isn’t the point of that discussion, and it’s obvious to everyone that it is the case
Ok but some people are really dumb and it is not obvious to them
If you are talking to someone about american politics and they don’t understand that Trump is fascist, and supports more fascist positions than biden, they are either a trump supporter, a troll, or someone that isn’t worth discussing that stuff with.
Or you are thinking they are saying both sides are the same and you aren’t understanding what they are saying. I’m not accusing you specifically of this, but I’ve had many infuriating conversations with people when they are drawing what I said to “hur dur you are saying they are literally the same” when I’m not as a way to thought terminatingly end the discussion or derail it.
Instead of saying what about the “dumb people” just don’t feed the trolls. Leveling the conversation to be troll proof is a losing game
I didn't think the other one was necessarily tone deaf in the context it was made in but this one is definitely a lot more direct about what the specific problem is.
"I don't have a problem with people protesting for Palestine, I have a problem with the people who are gonna immediately stop the day after voting closes."
And before anyone tries to accuse me of anything, Palestinian American who's family are Nakba victims, I'm allowed to be upset about people using my family's dead as fetish porn for the cynical politics they were going to try to push before the election anyways.
Or does everyone forget how so concerned people were about forgetting that Joe Biden's always been known as a gaffe machine and stutterer in 2020?
good way to put it
The artist must be very tone deaf, edit this one too
i can’t tell if you are being sarcastic (/gen, im not getting a read on the tone here, no hard feelings) so i won’t respond except to say, my main problem with the guy is he has never been critical of US complicity in apartheid and genocide
this one isn’t either
e: before you knee jerk downvote, please see my full analysis of this piece. we probably agree on more than you think.
People really out here pretending Biden himself is a not centerist
Is lady liberty supposed to be the Dems? Do you think the Dems are actually making progress on any of those things?
Shaming people for being dissatisfied with their politicians is silly.
Honestly I have no clue who lady liberty is meant to represent. I took a bad cartoon which I didn’t like and slightly improved on it, because the original was just broadly invalidating of and disrespectful towards the pro-Palestine movement.
Still plenty wrong with this cartoon, I just fixed the worst part.
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