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[-] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 139 points 6 months ago

The largest shareholder of the NYT is Carlos Slim, who happens to also own an oil company.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 40 points 6 months ago

This is the way.

All of the major newspapers and media outlets are owned by the billionaire class, and it's been that way for over a decade.

It's time to stop clutching your pearls every time your media company of choice does something in service to the billionaire class and stop giving them your clicks.

[-] worldwidewave@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago

If every media outlet is owned by billionaires, and I should stop visiting each one that does something in service to that class, am I just ultimately left newsless?

The proper thing to do is to call out this BS and let the NYT know that this is bullshit. Don’t hide from it, fight it.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

The proper thing to do is to call out this BS and let the NYT know that this is bullshit.

Use your time as you like. It's yours to waste. Your only real weapon is depriving them of your consumption.

The closest you can get to unbiased is the AP or international sources.

[-] sacbuntchris@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

Calling out dumb ideas isn't pearl clutching. It's a core part of our political system.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago
[-] whyalone@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago

Mf is born in 1940. He will be dead soon, why the fuck he needs more money?

[-] Cypher@lemmy.world 34 points 6 months ago

E-bikes are great, the issue is the morons using them.

[-] JamesStallion@sh.itjust.works 56 points 6 months ago

This is how I feel about cars, except for the "cars are great" part.

[-] lgsp@feddit.it 39 points 6 months ago

except for the “cars are great” part.

Yeah... Excluding moron drivers you have:

  • fucking dangerous for anyone outside the car
    • killing millions every year
    • main cause of death among those aged 15–29 years
  • air pollution
  • noise pollution
  • one of the main sources of greenhouse emissions
  • wasting space where it's more valuable
  • wasting money on subsides, directly and indirectly because of roads needed
  • distorting urban growth to increase dependency on it

I'm probably still forgetting something important...

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago

Yup.

Remember the headlines about the massive pollution drop that occurred in Spring 2020 after most workplaces went remote?

Cars and planes are the problem. Unfortunately, cars and planes make the billionaires a lot of money, so there won't be any meaningful change to our transportation systems.

[-] Moneo@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

Interestingly the COVID lockdowns might be what launched the 15min city conspiracy into the mainstream. Climate deniers saw articles about how the covid lockdowns reduced emissions and warped that into the theory that 15 min cities are a plot to restrict personal movement.

Source: climate deniers playbook podcast aka the climate town peeps

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

cars and planes make the billionaires a lot of money

Isn’t there a billionaire who wishes to make tons of money on railroads and railroad construction? Please, bribe our politicians to spend the hundreds of billions a we need to spend

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

cars deteriorate air quality and are a leading cause of lifelong chronic injuries

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Microplastics. Apparently tire wear is a major cause

Water pollution from oil of gas spills or improper disposal

[-] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 months ago
  • main cause of death among those aged 15–29

Is this an American thing? In Australia the leading cause is suicide, with auto accidents a distant second. However, it is the leading cause for 1-14 year olds.

[-] lgsp@feddit.it 2 points 6 months ago

It is at world level, according to WHO

https://www.who.int/data/gho/data/themes/topics/topic-details/GHO/road-traffic-mortality

In the linked page the same WHO states that road fatalities are the leading cause of death "for children and young adults aged 5–29 years":

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/road-traffic-injuries

[-] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 months ago

Ah yeah, based off what I read that makes sense with that wider age range.

[-] errer@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago

“Everyone is a moron but me!”

[-] cmbabul@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago

No I think I’m a moron too

[-] Moneo@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

Yes we are morons too, but we are superior morons. Smart morons you might say.

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

How’s that different than anything else that someone operates?

[-] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

People are the problem, you say?

[-] LeroyJenkins@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago

there really is an issue though. it's an unregulated mess and for every ebiker who is a clean energy micro mobility advocate there's half a dozen people who buy them because they don't have a license for whatever reason or are trying to skirt as many road laws as possible.

[-] Psythik@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

So what? If someone loses their license they still have the right to be able to pay their bills. Public transport isn't always an option, and Uber/Lift are as expensive as cabs now; how else do you expect an unlicensed person to get to work?

[-] LeroyJenkins@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

that's not the point I'm making. I'm not saying those who are unlicensed do not have a right to transportation. I'm saying that there are problems in the space where regulations need to be applied.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Like effing infrastructure. E-scooters shouldn’t be in traffic nor on a sidewalk. Having an actual dedicated right of way appropriate to the speed of different types of movement would go a long way toward making it safer for all

Really it’s only three- a car lane, and e-anything plus bicycle lane, and a pedestrian lane. But clearly distinct and protected

[-] sum_yung_gai@lemm.ee 3 points 6 months ago

That ratio seems a bit high. I bet most ebikers do it for economic reasons.

[-] LeroyJenkins@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

no you are wrong. according to scientists and smart people who graduated college, I'm correct here.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

it’s an unregulated mess

Posting this while I let AI drive my Cybertruck into a lake.

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

The problem in New York is that the e-bike riders are not replacing car riders. They're just pedestrians who want to go faster.

This isn't a win.

When we start seeing e-bikes go through the tunnel as a replacement for cars, that would be a win.

[-] GreatTitEnthusiast@mander.xyz 12 points 6 months ago

From the article it sounds like a lot of the complaints are any delivery gig workers, not pedestrians. The gig workers are incentivized to go fast and bike recklessly in a way that pedestrians aren't

Some of the proposals the safety conscious people are suggesting, though, feel a bit harsh to me. I don't want to have to get a licence for a bike that assists me when going up hill. On the other hand, if people are treating these like electric motorcycles then vehicle lisencing makes more sense to me

As for the article, I felt like it was balanced in a way the headline is not

[-] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

Sounds like a law so gig workers are paid by the hour would solve more.

[-] reev@sh.itjust.works 11 points 6 months ago

Are car drivers not just pedestrians that want to go faster? Each pedestrian that wants to go faster and chooses an E-Bike instead of a car is a win to me.

[-] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

You know what they mean though. This isn't someone who was a car who is now an ebike. This is someone who was feet or four or two wheels who is now doing 25mph on the sidewalk with no insurance. Once again, infrastructure is stuck catching up with technology, and that's normal, but we are in the middle of it now.

[-] Wahots@pawb.social 1 points 6 months ago

I don't live in NY, but I used to drive everywhere because the buses are slow AF (1hr+ to go less than seven miles) and I'm not walking 14+ miles up hills to see friends and family. Ebikes are used here to get up steep 18-28% grade hills. Because of ebikes, I'm able to run errands that I used to have to drive to, for pennies in electricity instead of $70 in gas and $30 in parking. The vast majority of all bikers stick to the bike lanes where available and obey the 15mph limits unless they are in lycra. But lycra types aren't riding ebikes anyways, lol. Incredibly, one of our family friends got pulled over for getting clocked at 40mph on a traditional road bike.

It's really annoying, though. If I ride in the street, I get honked at by cars for "going too slow" as the ebike can only do 20mph sustained. If there are no bike lanes, biking on the sidewalk is the only safe option on stroads and 35mph bridges. There's this massive gap in infrastructure where bikes usually get tossed the scraps of "just use the bridge sidewalk even though it's only 24 inches wide".

Cars routinely park in the bike lanes here, too, forcing most riders into the street because of Amazon drivers or people pulling into hotels and putting their hazards on. Some riders specifically avoid the bike lanes here because they get the worst lights at traffic stops (eg, one 15 second light every few minutes while cars and pedestrians get green lights and crosswalks for much more time, incentivizing people to ride with cars or crosswalks).

I think the most relevant solution is to significantly step up funding to ensure that most roads have wide sidewalks and generous, barrier-protected bike lanes where people cannot get doored and landscaping isolates pedestrians from the bike lanes. If Japan, France, and the Netherlands can do it, so can we.

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

I don’t see the problem. People can go faster without polluting. That’s a good thing. You can get a lot more people on the road safely this way.

[-] The_Tired_Horizon@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

The Telegraph here has done the same for Ebikes and Escooters. But mostly cyclists. Its been weeks of these articles. They're not alone either, the Mail, Express and Sun have done the same. Its to create the illusion of your Government tackling a problem that doesnt really exist, as ours announced they'd be "bringing in new measures" recently only to launch a General Election a couple of days after.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

They're too damned popular. And too damned affordable. And way too much newspaper/tv ad revenue comes from automobiles. Someone's got to put a thumb on the scale and get people back into SUVs.

[-] dustyData@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

NYT takes money from companies to run smear campaigns and manipulate public opinion. I have no evidence but I have no doubts either.

[-] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 6 months ago

It's an open secret they take money from oil companies to write sponsored articles that look like independent opinion pieces.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

The NYTimes continuing its long and storied tradition of panicking its readership over the prospect of seeing a young or poor person.

[-] Cosmicomical@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

It's certaily e-bikes that make nyc a nightmare

[-] xylogx@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Just consider all the people annoyed by ebikes. Clearly cars are much more sane and rational. I mean what is a few thousand lives compared to some good old fashioned outrage.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 6 points 6 months ago

When there's no more petrol cars, this is what most people's "electric vehicles" will look like.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

Dude, we’re just now getting infrastructure for bicycling, and that’s been like 300 years.

[-] PenisWenisGenius@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Ebikes would've been great in like 2018 before governments started regulating them to make them not as good. I don't even know what's going on these days in ebikes politics but I dismissed them as something I'll never buy when they started putting remote speed limiters in them. I'll just peddle myself on a cheapo bike.

[-] Jimmyeatsausage@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

This is pure pedantry, but the e-bike was actually invented sometime between 1895 and 1987 (depending on the source).

They definitely weren't popular until the 21st century, but the idea's been around a long time (just like electric cars).

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