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Hamas barra barra!

Means Hamas out out

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With the violence and horrors this war has produced, many people struggle to see the meaning of even engaging in dialogue. After people witness the suffering of their own family, they often lose hope that the painful divide can ever be healed. Some even lose the desire for that healing to take place.

Perhaps it’s because they have never seen or been a part of a productive dialogue, one that comes from a place of love and empathy, and that creates light and compassion.

It's crucial for Israelis & Palestinians to be the ones communicating. Those without a direct connection to this conflict shouldn’t be “picking sides” but rather encouraging each side to come closer to the other.

The solutions clearly won't come from those who currently hold the power, so let us rise from below and access the power we would have, if we stood united.

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Palestinian advocates like to quip that the current war "didn't begin on October 7." That's true, of course, though unhelpful. It didn't begin in any one specific place. There are no singular first causes in history. When we choose the beginning of the story, we choose its framing and meaning.

For most Israeli Jews, the story of the current war might be said to have begun in the fall of 2000, in the great collapse of Oslo that still casts its long shadow on the Israeli political psyche.

This is that story.

tl;dw What was the second intifada about?

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MIT Coalition for Palestine (mitsage.my.canva.site)
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Mirror: https://archive.ph/eMrsO

“Hamas’s new March 2025 fatality list quietly drops 3,400 fully “identified” deaths listed in its August and October 2024 reports – including 1,080 children. These “deaths” never happened. The numbers were falsified – again,” Mr Aizenberg wrote.

The casualty lists are released as PDFs by the Hamas-run Gaza ministry of health, which has been cited by international media as a source for fatality figures in the enclave since the start of the war.

“We knew there were rafts of errors in their reporting,” Mr Fox said. “There’s a reasonable explanation in that their computer systems went down in November 2023, so it’s been challenging for them to report accurately, but the lists are so unreliable that the world’s media shouldn’t be quoting them as reliable.”

The Hamas lists contain information such as names and ID numbers, and can be filled in by anyone with a link to the Google form for the document.

Hamas will “have gone through the list, trying to make it as convincing as possible. They’ve been accepting names onto that list with no evidence whatsoever”, explained Mr Fox. “So what I’m guessing they’re trying to do is thin out the names they cannot substantiate at all.”

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The Shame of What We’ve Done (www.counterpunch.org)
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