Oh. My. God.
It's literally two old-as-fuck fucks arguing about their golf swings. This is literally how the debate is coming to a close. I just... I don't even know what to say.
That was ironically the best summary of the damn debate. Two out of touch liches talking about golf.
I wonder how the liberals feel now, that pushed Biden on electability and rejected any more radical options because they were too scary and conflicting with the party line.
The moderators should be ashamed of themselves.
Trump hasn't answered a single question in 20 mins.
"I just wanna go back to that."
They are allowing gish galloping like a motherfucker and Biden has to defend himself from a thousand lies AND answer the question asked while Trump spews bullshit unending.
Not a single fact check. It's not that hard to state when something is inaccurate and challenge the speaker
Oof, yes, we need opponents for this guy who understand the fundamentals of how he and his rhetoric work. The better way to deal with him is to flip the frame. Specifically, in the opening statement, Biden needed to call out very explicitly that Trump was going to lie constantly, and furthermore, point out that you can recognize his lies when he says "best, strongest, biggest, greatest." That little bit of verbal jiu jitsu would've ensured that it was no longer Biden calling out the lies, but the viewers' own ears, and by bringing them to conscious attention, draining the power of those statements. (Trump spews lies and nonsense that don't parse analytically, like that alphabet-soup closing statement, but he's really aiming his words at the subconscious mind.)
This was the only thing I said within 60 seconds of the debate starting. We are so fucked
Fucking no fact checking is insanity.
This is literally constant stream of bullshit from Trump.
I seriously doubt it but I really hope this is a wake-up call for Democrats. I remain convinced that Biden voluntarily stepping down and permitting a younger more charismatic figure in his place will be all that is needed to win, and I say this for a few reasons:
Call it a reverse-October surprise.
That being said, this is the earliest debate ever and Trump still needs to go through sentencing in July. People won't really remember this debate, but it certainly did not help Biden in any capacity.
What the fuck are the moderators even there for?
So much time is being taken with, "let me keep talking about the question from ten minutes ago and ignore what you just asked."
Sorry people with children. The question that focused on your issues were just skipped over.
I'm going to vote for policy, not a person. I don't agree with Trump on anything, so I'll vote for Biden.
I’m voting for Biden still bc Trump is a piece of shit, but Biden is coming off old and weak in this debate. Trump is lying his ass off about everything and not getting called out on any of it, and because he’s spouting so much of it so quickly rapid-fire, it’s obfuscating and confusing the issues.
Yeah watched after his last rant the moderater said he had 37 seconds to answer the actual question asked and then allowed him to rant for another fucking minute and half. Then gave Biden 30 seconds to give a weak ass answer.
Why is Biden acting like he doesn't know where he is? What the fuck.
Jon Stewart was kind of brutal:
"Lots of people have 'resting 25th amendment face.'"
Trump is playing pigeon chess. Strutting around, telling lies, shitting all over everything, and will leave telling everyone he won.
No policy debate. Zero.
"I have the biggest heart on this stage!"
"I had the best environmental numbers!"
"I did not have sex with a pornstar!"
I lol’d at the part where he denied having sex with a porn star. Outrageous after just being convicted for misuse of campaign funds to bribe a porn star because he had sex with her.
We live in a world where Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Camacho is more electable than the candidates we have.
I figured Idiocracy was prescient, but it's coming true awfully fast.
He’s not answering Jan 6 directly.
And he’s blaming Pelosi? For Jan 6? Did I hear that right?
This country is cooked with these two as the choices. Biden looked awful, and Trump didn't answer anything at all. Trump gets a pass on never having any substance to his replies. It is just jokes and insults.
I guess...
Biden fucked up. But I don't think this really changes anything.
Nobody is voting for Biden because we like him. We are voting for him because we give a shit about human rights and democracy. And democrats generally are good at actually listening to what is being said because... we want things.
republicans hate biden and are just happy they heard that brown people are killing and raping everyone. Nothing changed there
What Biden needed to do was win over the dumbass moderate/"undecided" voters. Which... is not talking points or policy. It is strongman bullshit. And that... is going to almost be entirely up to The Internet. Do we focus on Biden stuttering and having aphasia that he has had for decades? Or do we focus on trump blatantly lying and still talking about asking Nancy Pelosi to lead an insurrection for him?
John Oliver and the rest of the late night hosts are going to be working overtime to remind the country that having a deranged fascist in charge is bad. The Hasans of the world are going to keep talking about "Genocide Joe" because they are useful idiots, at best. But... I don't know beyond that.'
That said, I do think about the questionably accurate story that nixon (ugh) won his debate against kennedy (lesser ugh) among radio versus television listeners.
Biden mostly won in terms of text. He lost in terms of audio. But... people live on twitter and social media. How many people are going to be watching clips versus reading excerpts and tweets?
The quote of the night: “President Trump, the question was…”
"I had the best environmental numbers ever," whatever that means, is hilarious for Trump to say
If Biden is going to be replaced it has to be a huge name like AOC or Bernie. It’s too late to campaign anyone newer
This was the single hardest thing to watch in my entire life. RIP usa your fates sealed
Good god, I had to stop watching after the abortion question.
Trump actually has managed to keep his composure so far. Sure, he's spouting out lie upon lie that CNN is allowing to continue un-fact-checked. But he at least sounds like he knows what he's talking about, and is showing something resembling energy.
Biden looked like a nursing home patient that should've been guided out by his nurse. He sounds even worse. That freeze-up at the end with him stuttering and just blurting out a random "I beat Medicare" or whatever that was is going to fuel the entire Republican campaign for the next 5 months. That is literally the exact moment Biden lost this election, mark my words. The man is performing like he's sundowning.
If he gets better, God bless him. But I cannot see how anyone can have confidence in that man after that performance. He doesn't look like he'll make it another 4 months let alone another 4 years.
All the post-debate commentary basically says everyone they're hearing from in the party and undecided voters were like... yeah, we are fucked.
They have even made the point that he's not technically the nominee until the convention twice so far. I.e., we need a new candidate.
And it CAN'T BE KAMALA.
I served in the military, this made me sad for our country. I'm angry at Trump and embarrassed for Biden.
The problem is that the debate doesn’t really change much… except for low information and undecided voters. They don’t know what Trump is spewing and whether it’s a lie or not. When he makes up wild claims that Biden is unanimously declared worst president in history, they don’t know that’s a lie, or that Trump is lying about capping the price of insulin or the existence of 9 month elective abortions, etc. Trump’s confident lies actually win over a lot of undecided people who don’t do any research into the topic.
Trump keeps dodging questions by going back to the previous topic. It gives him as much time to talk as he wants. And then he doesn't have to spend as much time on the issues where he is weaker.
What a great line to go to commercial on. "Something snapped when you lost". Probably one of Biden's best moments
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Electoral reform has already been achieved at the state level; Alaska and Maine have successfully implemented changes to their electoral systems, demonstrating that broader reform is feasible.
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Ranked Choice voting
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Range Voting
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Single Transferable Vote
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STAR voting
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Mixed Member Proportional representation
I voted for Biden and I'll vote for him again to keep a fascist out of office, but it is quite clear that the best thing Democrats could do is to have Biden back out and put forth a younger charismatic candidate. Age and the excitement about someone fresh would be enough to sweep this. That's just a reflection of what polls are already telling us. The debate just started, but it's quite clear that the optics of a debate thus far are going to Trump.
God, Biden was just pathetic and old in this debate and got steamrolled by a coked up, orange fat ass old man.
Wow, I didn't see it as I was working. It was somehow worse than I thought even after reading all the threads. Biden should not be there. I will be voting for whomever the democrats nominate because the alternative is worse, but the US is so fucked.
Bidens closing statement wasn't strong... but nothing about his performance has been strong.
The gish gab is out of control. Trump didn't even answer the last question. These moderators suck.
“The fact checkers will fix my performance,” says the guy running for president.
Underestimating Trump was the death of Hillary Clinton. This time it could be the death of free and fair elections.
You can always hide the hunt for a replacement as the hunt for VP.
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