Yes ban AI music completely. For a comprise I'd be ok with a regular ai music thread if there was any demand but i dont think there is.
can we keep the Weird Al stuff though
ha im so funny
Such as? Jk?
weird AL yankovic 🤣
Agreed. I'll go one further and say disallow "AI" anything...
Soon the internet will be so full of sloppy shit that we need to start creating spaces dedicated to genuine human arts and communication right now.
Generated stuff is a waste of bandwidth and storage space. Ban ban ban
Agree on banning AI. Music is written, not generated.
I won't listen to AI generated music. It doesn't belong anywhere, in my not so humble opinion.
Music has been one of the most powerful tools for human expression since the dawn of time. Ban.
I dunno guys, maybe we should allow it!
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Music is pure human expression. I'd rather listen to the worst human-made music there is than the best AI-generated music.
Allow AI posts if they are one of the following :
Technically, you might need to ban the song "skullgrid" since it was composed using procedural generation software. But, it was composed that way, but then recorded by metal musicians. https://beholdthearctopus.bandcamp.com/track/skullgrid
Obviously, yes, ban slop AI stuff that's "here's enter sandman regge style" , here's my "smoky blues space album" that's just them putting the title into suno AI.
There are also people that worked on this kind of stuff before the AI ... mainstreamisation? Like Dadabots , who worked with the musicians and with their permission and everything. I don't want that kind of stuff to be banned. https://dadabots.bandcamp.com/album/coditany-of-timeness is from 2017 and it would be a shame to lump it in with everything else.
https://github.com/MeltwaterArchive/Sound-of-Twitter ... which is currently down, or deleted or fucking whatever.
Basically : I want to see experimental works that were made using programming and data re-interpretation. I don't want to see "I put farts through AI and here's the generic output".
colloquially we all know 'ai' means generative large language models like gpt and copilot. nobody says 'ai' these days - especially in the context of question of the post here - and means sythesizers or minecraft or purpose-built and tailored narrowly scoped machine learning models integrated in software. we would say these other terms we've used here just like we have.
Technically, you might need to ban the song “skullgrid” since it was composed using procedural generation software
Was the procedural generation software trained using other artists' works? Or is it more like a drum machine with baked-in algorithms written by software developers? If the latter, that's not "AI" in the sense that this thread is primarily discussing.
I feel like you're making valid points for interesting use of the technology. The problem is that only accounts for such a small percentage of AI output, that it is impossible to moderate for. It takes someone very skilled with the tech to be able to achieve what you are describing. I also don't think anyone is going to nitpick over someone performing a song written by AI as the artists performance is the human element we identify with.
Ban AI here and there can be another community for that kind of content.
I agree that we should start with a ban all AI content. But we could easily make exceptions for actual effortposts like those listed in the parent comment. It's not a huge leap. AI slop? Banned. Novelty from someone who used a tool that included AI? Well its not really slop, so don't ban it.
I disagree, it's not that hard to moderate. Lemmy is not a legal system, if a mod mistake happens no one gets hurt. Appeals are easy, and you can specify in the rules that AI content must come with a disclaimer and description of why its OK if it wants to stay, otherwise it gets banned with everything else AI.
For the 0.1% "OK" AI songs mods just have to stop and read a sentence description, its not an overwhelming burden for something that maybe comes through once a month.
The problem is that only accounts for such a small percentage of AI output
Ban AI here and there can be another community for that kind of content.
If it's rare, then there won't be enough of it to sustain another community. An easy way to moderate for this could be to just ban outputs of the most popular, easy to use tools like Suno, and ask for an explanation of the process to be provided.
That assumes the majority of submissions would be from users that are prompting themselves instead of "hey I found this and wanted to share" posts.
It doesn't have to, that could be disallowed (or at least require a link back to the artist who explains their methods). Also, a ban on generative AI would also apply to use of machine learning that doesn't involve text prompts, so this isn't just about prompt derived music.
AI “training” is theft from human artists. Ban AI-gen completely.
Ban it .. there is a place and time for machine learning, but it's not art in any shape or form!
Ban ai bullshit
If it's not disallowed outright at least require it to be clearly labeled
Ban everything AI
I don't want to talk about clanker work, there's plenty of good work humans are doing
Agree, ban the spam
Yeah, disallow it. It's stolen pap that only makes the unethical corporations richer.
Disallow it.
It might be interesting to hear what average music sounds like, but only once.
AI music is a technical exercise, not art. Ban it
Ban.
I'm not sure. I wouldn't want my music project banned just because it uses a.i. to figure out which loops to combine next, live, in real time. But that's because I composed all those loops myself and configured the rules for how they relate. That I think differs from an LLM that simply steals other people's work wholesale.
I don't think this is what they're talking about. AI should be allowed IMO if it's an extension of the poster's humanity and not just a whole-cloth LLM generated song. The hardcore anti-AI crowd doesn't even know these types of uses exist, they just decided early on that they don't like fully generated stuff and are throwing out the baby with the bath water whenever AI is mentioned.
If you posted your AI assisted music (even with a policy in place) I don't think anyone would call it out or even notice, FWIW. In this climate I wouldn't even mention AI involvement.
Are you talking about, say, generative sequencing of samples? If so, that seems like a reasonable exception.
Per community feedback, low-effort GenAI posts are disallowed.
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