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In the latest episode of "they will always sell you out" - they sold you out! Who would've thought.

Hoping for a good alternative client to appear, the writing is on the wall. Vaultwarden can't exist without "leeching" off of Bitwarden.

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[-] RonnyZittledong@lemmy.world 42 points 1 week ago

Jesus, I'm tired of switching password managers.

[-] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 week ago

KeePassXC + KeePassDX is probably the best option, with the downside of no way to sync easily (syncthing is probably the best option there)

I might switch back at some point, been getting frustrated with the bitwarden extension performance always being so poor.

[-] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago

My first password manager was KeePassXC.

Hooked it up with Syncthing, and I've never had issues aside from the occasion database duplicate.

[-] german@pawb.social 5 points 1 week ago

Merge conflicts are a concern for KeePass, especially for those that don’t want to resolve them. Sync is difficult. AFAIK this is a very common issue with Syncthing setups.

Also, the portability from Bitwarden to KP leaves a bit to be desired, though that’s probably 90% on BW.

[-] elmicha@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago

I'm using Keepass2Android (and KeepassXC). It can copy the database from/to an sftp server, so it can easily merge the entries. I don't have the sftp server exposed to the Internet, because when I'm not home, nobody will change the database at home.

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[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago

Sync however you want. Syncthing, Nextcloud, Dropbox, Gdrive etc.

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[-] auntieclokwise@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I use KeePass with KeeAnywhere. KeePass can natively sync over network share, FTP, or WebDav. With plugins, it can sync over SSH, FTPS, Amazon S3 compatible buckets (including open source compatible versions you host yourself), Azure, Box, Dropbox, Google Drive, OneDrive, and more.

[-] elaina@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

Yeah the performance is what made me install the desktop app, but then it's 1gb in size

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[-] slate@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

KeePass isn't going anywhere. They're also dragging their feet on passkey support, so you might go with KeepassXC.

[-] zeitverschreib@freundica.de 3 points 1 week ago

@slate

Wasn't there some commotion a few weeks about KeepassXC and vibe coding?

@RonnyZittledong

[-] Dumhuvud@programming.dev 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yeah, there was. It was forked because of that, actually: https://codeberg.org/ChiPass

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[-] altphoto@lemmy.today 23 points 1 week ago

Ah shit. Here we go again!

[-] osanna@lemmy.vg 8 points 1 week ago

Can anyone say “Enshittification”!

[-] altphoto@lemmy.today 7 points 1 week ago

Enshitification coming right up!

[-] DFX4509B@lemmy.wtf 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Move to KeePassXC or its recent LLM-free fork while you still can, because at some point Bitwarden is going to try to go closed-source again.

[-] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 5 points 1 week ago

Oh crap, how's KeePass got an LLM involved‽ Time to look into this now...

I did find https://codeberg.org/ChiPass/ChiPass , but it looks like a very new project.

[-] silentjohn@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago

Every company is basically evil at this point.

[-] iamthetot@piefed.ca 10 points 1 week ago

There is no ethical consumption under capitalism.

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[-] Shortstack@reddthat.com 11 points 1 week ago

That’s troubling, I don’t like what this portends.

The new CEOs background especially suggests they’re spiffing up the company for a later sellout, why else would they pick a merger specialist for the role?

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is why corporate promises can never be trusted, because a new CEO can change those promises on a whim.

It's part of why despite being interested in Beeper, I never signed up for it because I had questions about if those privacy promises they made would be kept if they sold to a bigger company... which they eventually did.

On the plus side Bitwarden already made an official open source self-hosted version, which can be forked and/or return to the community developed Vaultwarden roots.

Meanwhile KeepassXC keeps on chugging along.

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[-] otter@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I think the original title was more helpful because it shows that this is a recent development. Maybe you can add "new CEO"?

Bitwarden scrubs ‘Always free’ and ‘Inclusion’ values from its website as longtime execs step down

In February, longtime CEO Michael Crandell moved to an advisory role, according to LinkedIn, with no announcement from the company. His replacement, Michael Sullivan, former CEO of both Acquia and Insightsoftware, touts his experience with “all facets of mergers and acquisitions” on his own LinkedIn page, including experience working with leading private equity firms.

CFO Stephen Morrison also left Bitwarden in April, replaced by former InVision CEO Michael Shenkman. Both Crandell and Morrison joined the company in 2019. Kyle Spearrin, who started Bitwarden as a fun hobby project in 2015, remains the company’s CTO.

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[-] sloppy_diffuser@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago

They responded on reddit and walked some of it back as an "oversight": https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitwarden/comments/1tdvnh7/comment/olznwcv/. Allegedly, I'm too lazy to verify.

[-] blarth@thelemmy.club 11 points 1 week ago

A change that would require intent to make is not a mistake or oversight.

This sucks. I committed to Bitwarden years ago and now am going to have to switch before they lock me in the garden.

[-] german@pawb.social 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They also haven’t addressed the removal of inclusion and transparency from their goals.

EDIT: They did. They said it’s “less of a priority”. The article I shared has been updated. I smell corporate bullshit though. “Oversight” this, “priority shift” that, they’d have to work hard to gain any trust back.

[-] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago

All hail the new Chief Enshittification Officer!

[-] wickedrando@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago

i was just thinking this week with the passphrase addition how good bitwarden is and when will the other shoe drop. There it is.

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[-] palmtrees2309@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago
[-] auntieclokwise@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

No, KeePass. Fully open source, no cloud involved in any way, unless you want something to sync your data (the server only ever sees your encrypted database - all encryption and decryption is done locally). You can also host your own sync server using any of a variety of different protocols.

[-] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

@palmtrees2309@lemmy.world

Yep. Seconding this!

KeePass + Syncthing is the best.

Back up the database(s) regularly. (Syncthing can also retain x number of versions and things like that, but also do your own 3-2-1 backups.)

You can use something as simple as a Pi, or an old laptop, or even an old phone if you get creative, as an always-on syncthing server to keep them synchronized. KeePassXC even has a fancy integration with Firefox, so all you gotta do is unlock your database and click autofill on websites.

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[-] godsammitdam@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 week ago

Has Vaultwarden said anything yet? I imagine that, if necessary, given that bitwarden's client is still open, at the point they choose to try and close it, we, the users, can fork it and establish it for vaultwarden, correct? Or, maybe even the vaultwarden team will think about forking it themselves and making a light client as well to pair with the current server.

But Vaultwarden can exist without "leeching" they just haven't needed to yet. That's more symbiotic than parasitic. The parasite class just took over Bitwarden after all.

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[-] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago

Goddammit. Why can't we have nice things?

[-] DisasterTransport@startrek.website 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

For once ADHD preventing me from completing a migration is a boon, I guess I'll move back to keepass

[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

I'm going to have to just write my own one of these fucking things aren't I?

[-] BritishJ@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

KeePassXC and Vaultwarden exist

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[-] evil_andy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

Well, poop.

[-] qwestjest78@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago
[-] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Once again, enshittification by the fucking suits.

Early on I decided to use only KeePass for full personal control instead of an online service. Didn't regret making that decision.

[-] Cyber@feddit.uk 4 points 1 week ago

My solution:

https://keepass.info/donate.html

(& yes, I'm linking to their donate page first)

[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Keep ass what though? /s

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[-] Mister_Hangman@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Clue me in on why vaultwarden can’t exist without it?

[-] baduhai@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 week ago

It can, but vaultwarden, as it currently is, is an implementation of the server only. So if bitwarden decides to go closed source all the way, they'd haver to start either creating their own clients or fork the current bitwarden clients.

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