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"No Duh," say senior developers everywhere.

The article explains that vibe code often is close, but not quite, functional, requiring developers to go in and find where the problems are - resulting in a net slowdown of development rather than productivity gains.

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[-] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 28 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Even though this shit was apparent from day fucking 1, at least the Tech Billionaires were able to cause mass layoffs, destroy an entire generation of new programmers' careers, introduce an endless amount of tech debt and security vulnerabilities, all while grifting investors/businesses and making billions off of all of it.

Sad excuses for sacks of shit, all of them.

[-] Prove_your_argument@piefed.social 5 points 6 months ago

Look on the bright side, in a couple of years they will come crawling back to us, desperate for new things to be built so their profit machines keep profiting.

Current ML techniques literally cannot replace developers for anything but the most rudimentary of tasks.

I wish we had true apprenticeships out there for development and other tech roles.

[-] Sibshops@lemmy.myserv.one 17 points 6 months ago

I mean.. At best it's a stack overflow/google replacement.

[-] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

There's some real perks to using AI to code - it helps a ton with templatable or repetitive code, and setting up tedious tasks. I hate doing that stuff by hand so being able to pass it off to copilot is great. But we already had tools that gave us 90% of the functionality copilot adds there, so it's not super novel, and I've never had it handle anything properly complicated at all successfully (asking GPT-5 to do your dynamic SQL calls is inviting disaster, for example. Requires hours of reworking just to get close.)

[-] Feyd@programming.dev 16 points 6 months ago

But we already had tools that gave us 90%

More reliable ones.

[-] Sibshops@lemmy.myserv.one 1 points 6 months ago

Fair, I've used it recently to translate a translations.ts file to Spanish.

But for repetitive code, I feel like it is kind of a slow down sometimes. I should have refactored instead.

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[-] Steve@startrek.website 9 points 6 months ago

I found that it only does well if the task is already well covered by the usual sources. Ask for anything novel and it shits the bed.

[-] snooggums@piefed.world 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

That's because it doesn't understand anything and is just vomiting forth output based on the code that was fed into it.

[-] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 months ago

At absolute best.

My experience is it's the bottom stack overflow answers. Making up bullshit and nonexistent commands, etc.

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[-] kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 6 months ago

Imagine if we did "vibe city infrastructure". Just throw up a fucking suspension bridge and we'll hire some temps to come in later to find the bad welds and missing cables.

[-] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 14 points 6 months ago

“No Duh,” say senior developers everywhere.

I'm so glad this was your first line in the post

[-] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

No duh, says a layman who never wrote code in his life.

[-] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 months ago
[-] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 5 points 6 months ago

Oddly enough, my grasp of coding is probably the same as the guy in the middle but I still know that LLM generated code is garbage.

[-] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Yeah, I actually considered putting the same text on all 3, but we gotta put the idiots that think it's great somewhere! Maybe I should have put it with the dumbest guy instead.

[-] vividspecter@aussie.zone 4 points 6 months ago

Think this one needs a bimodal curve with the two peaks representing the "caught up in the hype" average coder and the realistic average coder.

[-] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 2 points 6 months ago

Yeah, there’s definitely morons out there who never bothered to even read about the theory of good code design.

[-] theterrasque@infosec.pub 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I guess I'm one of the idiots then, but what do I know. I've only been coding since the 90s

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[-] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 10 points 6 months ago

The most immediately understandable example I heard of this was from a senior developer who pointed out that LLM generated code will build a different code block every time it has to do the same thing. So if that function fails, you have to look at multiple incarnations of the same function, rather than saying “oh, let’s fix that function in the library we built.”

[-] kescusay@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

Yeah, code bloat with LLMs is fucking monstrous. If you use them, get used to immediately scouring your code for duplications.

[-] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 6 months ago

it's slowing you down. The solution to that is to use it in even more places!

Wtf was up with that conclusion?

[-] favoredponcho@lemmy.zip 8 points 6 months ago

Glad someone paid a bunch of worthless McKinsey consultants what I could’ve told you myself

[-] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

You mean relying blindly on a statistical prediction engine to attempt to produce sophisticated software without any understanding of the underlying principles or concepts doesn't magically replace years of actual study and real-world experience?

But trust me, bro, the singularity is imminent, LLMs are the future of human evolution, true AGI is nigh!

I can't wait for this idiotic "AI" bubble to burst.

[-] altphoto@lemmy.today 3 points 6 months ago

Its great for stupid boobs like me, but only to get you going. It regurgitates old code, it cannot come up with new stuff. Lately there have been less Python errors, but again the stuff you can do is limited. At least for the free stuff that you can get without signing up.

[-] Smokeless7048@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Yea, I use it for home assistant, it's amazingly powerful... And so incredibly dumb

It will take my if and statements, and shrunk it to 1/3 the length, while being twice as to robust... While missing that one of the arguments is entirely in the wrong place.

[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

It turns every prototyping exercise into a debugging exercise. Even talented coders often suck ass at debugging.

[-] Somecall_metim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 months ago

I am jack's complete lack of surprise.

[-] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

I have been vibe coding a whole game in JavaScript to try it out. So far I have gotten a pretty ok game out of it. It's just a simple match three bubble pop type of thing so nothing crazy but I made a design and I am trying to implement it using mostly vibe coding.

That being said the code is awful. So many bad choices and spaghetti code. It also took longer than if I had written it myself.

So now I have a game that's kind of hard to modify haha. I may try to setup some unit tests and have it refactor using those.

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[-] uncle_moustache@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago

The good news is: AI is a lot less impressive than it seemed at first.

The bad news is: so are a lot of jobs.

[-] sadness_nexus@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago

I'm not a programmer in any sense. Recently, I made a project where I used python and raspberry pi and had to train some small models on a KITTI data set. I used AI to write the broad structure of the code, but in the end, it took me a lot of time going through python documentation as well as the documentation of the specific tools/modules I used to actually get the code working. Would an experienced programmer get the same work done in an afternoon? Probably. But the code AI output still had a lot of flaws. Someone who knows more than me would probably input better prompts and better follow up requirements and probably get a better structure from the AI, but I doubt they'll get a complete code. In the end, even to use AI, you have to know what you're doing to use AI efficiently and you still have to polish the code into something that actually works.

[-] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Are you trying to tell me that the people wanting to sell me their universal panacea for all human endeavours were... lying...? Say it ain't so.

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[-] popekingjoe@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Oh wow. No shit. Anyway!

[-] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 6 months ago

The biggest value I get from AI in this space is when I get handed a pile of spagehtti and ask for an initial overview.

[-] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 months ago

No shit sherlock!

[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Almost like its a desperate bid to blow another stock/asset bubble to keep 'the economy' going, from C suite, who all knew the housing bubble was going to pop when this all started, and now is.

Funniest thing in the world to me is high and mid level execs and managers who believe their own internal and external marketing.

The smarter people in the room realize their propoganda is in fact propogands, and are rolling their eyes internally that their henchmen are so stupid as to be true believers.

[-] Feyd@programming.dev 1 points 6 months ago

It remains to be seen whether the advent of “agentic AIs,” designed to autonomously execute a series of tasks, will change the situation.

“Agentic AI is already reshaping the enterprise, and only those that move decisively — redesigning their architecture, teams, and ways of working — will unlock its full value,” the report reads.

"Devs are slower with and don't trust LLM based tools. Surely, letting these tools off the leash will somehow manifest their value instead of exacerbating their problems."

Absolute madness.

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[-] gigachad@piefed.social 1 points 6 months ago

I always need to laugh when I read "Agentic AI"

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