[-] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago

Sure. If that's your opinion regarding art that's ok. We don't have to argue about that. It's subjective and will change from person to person.

Regardless if something has utility or not. The point remains the same. You often want things you yourself is unable to create to an acceptable standard.

I'm not an AI fanatic. I do not believe AI makes everything better. But I do believe it can make certain things easier if used correctly. And I also think it's a big difference between someone sloppily making an entire story arc with AI, rather than someone that uses AI to fill in some of blanks.

And again. This is all subjective. But just some food for thought.

Clothes have both utility and artistic expression. But do you really care if a person made your pants, as long as they look good, are comfortable and of high quality?

I'm not trying to change your mind. Just explaining my reasoning behind my opinion.

[-] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I want to include paintings as decoration on my walls where I live. But I don't want to paint them.

I want a bed to sleep in, but I don't want to build it.

I want food to eat. But I don't want to grow it myself, nor would I like to raise, feed, care, and slaughter the animals I eat.

So... Maybe I want some trivia, an easter egg if you'd like, about something weird and funny. Despite not wanting to write it myself.

[-] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 days ago

The article specifically mentions PayPal.

[-] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 days ago

There needs to be a lawsuit against Visa because PayPal stoped authorizing payments to steam in certain regions?

[-] Atomic@sh.itjust.works -3 points 4 days ago

You are still refusing to acknowledge that regional legislation can easily prohibit purchases from sources that facilitate illegal products.

I have never heard of a case where payment processors refuse to authorize payment of a legal product because they don't like the product.

Do you comprehend how big of a problem it is if a payment processor can't authorize payments to steam? That's not something they do for the fun of it. It's because there are legal hurdles. Everyday they can't authorize payments is lost revenue, and risk of losing customers.

I'm sorry, but you will just have to source your incest porn games from somewhere else.

[-] Atomic@sh.itjust.works -1 points 4 days ago

I'm not even sure those titles are legal everywhere.

Allowing digital purchase of illegal products can very well be criminal for the payment processor in certain regions.

I mean just look at those titles. "Incest daughter - BDSM".

[-] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago

I didn't say anyone would hire a writer that hates writing. You keep asking rhetorical questions about things that no one brought up.

Why are you making a narrative video game without a writer

I answered this already in the comment you replied to...

People can be passionate and want to create things despite not being adept at every single aspect involved. You keep creating scenarios in direct opposition to what I've explained and then tell me your scenario doesn't make sense.

Why someone would need story-driven pieces of prose in PacMan? I don't know buddy. You tell me. I never suggested anything of the sorts.

I've had great discussions with other people. But you seem intent on bad faith arguments and straw-manning every chance you get.

None of the justifications make any real world sense to me.

It's very telling you see it as "justifications", as if I would have to justify my opinion on the matter. It is what it is based on my experience. I have no doubt, there are a lot of things that make no real world sense to you.

[-] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago

I'll just reply with my 2 cents on your two points. This is the kind of topic where there isn't a right or wrong. Just different opinions and people thinking differently. I hope you have a nice vacation and with that, here goes.

I know from personal experience that what you would like to do, does not often co-exist with the time you're allowed to spent on it. I would have loved to refine so much, add better function, create a more robust framework to allow expansion of future functionality. But the machine is going out to a show in 4 weeks. It doesn't need to be refined, it doesn't need to be perfect. But it does need to work and be functional.

I did not use A.I for that project. Along with it, I had to create a UI that worked on a touch-screen. I had never done anything of the sorts before. I did study up and learn the basics in order to create the UI. Honestly, using A.I did not even cross my mind. It wasn't a question of wanting or not wanting. It literally did not even occur to me that it's something I could have used. But thinking back. If I had, maybe I would have saved a few hours and could have used that to finish some "almost done" functions.

Everyone is different, and I'm sure most devs are super interested in the details, they're just, different details. The detail of certain text might not be as important to a dev as the detail of a certain framework and building it in a specific way to allow for future implementation of... whatever.

I'll end it with, I'm sure there are devs of your description as well, that would rather die than let some machine taint their vision of what their project should be.

I suppose I see it from a very practical point of view. Rather than an artistic point of view. But I do understand the concern. And should quality start to suffer as a result, I'm sure my opinion would change.

[-] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago

We are not going to get anywhere debating a made up scenario. And what glyphs would or wouldn't do instead of text is subjective. Maybe the game isn't centered around ancient egypt?? I'm sure someone can find 1 million and 1 reasons as to why something might be text. But that's not the topic.

I didn't claim more = better. But I do think gen-AI has a place in some areas. You don't have to agree.

In my view. It's a tool. Tools can be misused. Tools can be useful.

[-] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago

If your scenario is "the vase is empty" then yeah... I don't think anyone is using prompts that take longer than typing the description.

But in the case of, let's say a scientific report on an alien encounter and resulting dissection then a prompt will for sure give you way faster inspiration than thinking of it all yourself.

You may not like that. That's ok. But I would not have a problem with that.

[-] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 days ago

Why do we need a bunch of unrelated text and images of the game stands fine without them?

Classic case of things you don't notice because they're there. But you will notice their absence.

Don't put the blame on generative A.I for filler content. I've seen Loren ipsum as filler long before generative A.I was even invented. It's always down to the devs to make sure what they put out is good.

But generative A.I absolutely make it easier to create the filler content, so you can focus on other aspects.

You're putting out a lot of "what if". If my grandma had wheels she'd be a bike and if my mom had balls she'd be my dad.

This has nothing to do with gen-A.I. so someone has lots of important lore that contradicts other lore? That's their fault for misusing their tools. Not a fault of the tool.

It's not like they would suddenly do a better job just because they didn't use gen-A.I, they would still do a shitty job if they can't pay attention to details.

It's fine if you just don't want any gen-A.I in what you purchase. That's an opinion, a stance and I respect that. I just personally am not bothered if used correctly. I'm just complaining that their categories of gen-A.I doesn't allow me to make that distinction.

[-] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 23 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Honestly, it's going to be a very meaningless label unless it's accompanied by what it was used for.

I have absolutely no problem with titles using generative A.I for filler text that no one is meant to read, such as various "rapports" and "notes" on... god know what, think lab assistants notes that flash on a screen somewhere in a corner, looks nice that there is some actual text, but it's not crucial to anything. It's background, and it will just take time away from more important bits.

As opposed to someone that has used generative AI for basically everything just to churn out some passable content for hundreds of games, making quantity over quality.

descriptions and lore to brainstorming story arcs.

Personally, I think there's a huge difference between descriptions and actual lore and story arcs.

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When will people learn? Seriously. They keep touching fire and act equally surprised every time they get burned.

No Man's Sky. (Great now but holy hell was it a shit show)

Cyberpunk

Diablo IV

Far Cry 6

StarField

And now this latest Assasins Creed: Mirage.

Probably forgetting plenty of recent releases too that just faded into nothingness.

Personally, I'll be starting Batman Arkham Asylum this weekend. Heard it was pretty good. Should keep me busy for a while.

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