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about that ticket we talked about yesterday
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Shit take. Do better
As a software guy, I love this. People building and running software products don't need project managers. We ned product owners/managers. It's a product, it has users, it doesn't have an end date.
A Project Manager is someone who thinks nine women can deliver a baby in one month.
"Hellen, you were supposed to only do the left arm! What am I supposed to do with a whole baby!?"
Fuckin' preach. I've worked with a single pm worth their salt, and they got driven out by the useless cunts that couldn't MANAGE to get from their desk to a toilet without a meeting.
In my career most of the actually competent PMs actually got poached so we're left with the scraps.
In my experience it's because the terrible PMs are happy to shift their blame onto someone else, whereas the proficient PMs don't shy away from their mistakes. The good pm gets fired for taking someone else's responsibility and the bad ones stay piling their shit onto others. Good PMs can't survive.
A lot of places park people who can't cut it doing the actual work in the project in project management roles instead of moving them on. They think, ohh they have intimate knowledge of the project and the working parts they'll be great.
It happens a lot for regular management as well.
A properly trained, proficient project manager can get more done with less people, defuse situations before they happen and cool the jets of higher ups making unreasonable demands.
Of course, some places are just shitholes run by assholes to which none of this applies.
My only gripe is when they act like they are technical instead of administrative.
This fairy tale still lives? Sheesh, some people really are dense. Like, neutron star kind of dense
Management is needed, you let ppl do whtever they want and nothing gets done in any reasonable amount of time
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I fucking hate comments defending PMs like “you hate PMs if you only worked with bad ones”
Fuck no, they’re the idea guys of tech, they’re useless. Their entire existence depends on engineers not giving enough fucks about the product. They’re the result of a broken team structure. They’re annoying and have no real skills, which is proven by their excitement about AI nowadays. Every PM I’ve came across is hyping up AI, most of them vibe coding, whatever the fuck that means.
On the other hand having a manager willing to yell at/stonewall the MBAs when they ~~deliberately lie about~~ misinterpret your recommendations and timelines is a godsend.
venture capitalist
that's not useless, that's actively harmful
Look ain't saying I agree with it
But they're right up there with Scrum Masters. Guides whatever
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