What are we, a bunch of Asians?

The anti-communism brain worms are too strong

What is their solution? I'm not watching an hour long Ezra Klein video lol.

EDIT: Saw someone mention abundance liberalism in a comment below so I'm guessing it's that.

What a sublime thinker Friedman is: "We hit Iraq because we could." I made an edit for clarity. Rose got his wars confused.

Thomas Friedman — Charlie Rose

Friday 05/30/2003
Pulitzer Prize Winner Thomas Friedman shares his opinion on whether it was worth invading Iraq and and what it means to have won the war.

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Charlie Rose: Let me start with an overview of [the Gulf War]. We won the war. People had criticisms about going in. Now that the war is over and there's some difficulty with the peace, what is was it worth doing?

Thomas Friedman: Oh, I think it was unquestionably worth doing, Charlie. I think that looking back I now certainly feel I understand more what the war was about. It's interesting to talk about it here in Silicon Valley because I think looking back at the 1990's, I can identify -- there are actually three bubbles of the 1990s, there was the NASDAQ bubble, the corporate governance bubble, and lastly there was what I call the terrorism bubble.

And the first two were based on creative accounting, the last was based on moral creative accounting. The terrorism bubble that basically built up over the 1990's said flying airplanes into the World Trade Center, that's okay. Wrapping yourself with dynamite and blowing up Israelis in a pizza parlor, that's okay. Because we're weak and they're strong and the weak have a different morality.

Having your preachers say that's okay, that's okay. Having your charities raise money for people who do these kinds of things, that's okay. And having your press call people who do these kinds of things martyrs, that's okay. And that built up as a bubble, Charlie, and 9/11 to me was the peak of that bubble. What we learned on 9/11 in a gut way was that that bubble was a fundamental threat to our open society.

Because there is no wall high enough, no INS agent smart enough, no metal detector efficient enough to protect an open society from people motivated by that bubble. What we needed to do was go over to that part of the world, I'm afraid, and burst that bubble. We needed to go over there basically and take out a very big stick right in the heart of that world and burst that bubble.

There was only one way to do it because part of that bubble said, "we've got you." This bubble is actually going to level the balance of power between us and you because we don't care about life. We're ready to sacrifice. All you care about are your stock options and your hummers. What they needed to see was American boys and girls going house to house from Basra to Baghdad and basically saying: "Which part of this sentence don't you understand?"

"You don't think, you know, we care about our open society? You think this bubble fantasy, we're just going to let it grow. Well, suck on this." That, Charlie, was what this war was about. We could have hit Saudi Arabia. It was part ever that bubble. Could have hit Pakistan. We hit Iraq because we could. That's the real truth.

Friedman really loved the Charlie Rose show. There are 132 results for him at the site.

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I really hate sites that refuse to make what should be txt - into actual txt. I had to grab an annoying glob of HTML and make it txt myself.

I always find it so hilarious that neoliberals will simultaneously build their lives and world views around hypothetical technological solutions that will resolve resource/logistical realities like magic and then turn around and say that the problem with Communism is that its too utopian or idealistic.

A concept so genius it can be debunked by thinking about hunger for 5 seconds

Haven't we already proved that doesn't work with things like food, where we already have more than enough but people still go hungry? I'm sure there's tons of other examples, too, that show that capitalism encourages artificial scarcity.

I absolutely disagree that they are a few good conversations from being left-wing. Especially for the libs that are pushing the abundance agenda, the abundance agenda is specifically a way to off ramp liberal voters who are radicalizing from listening to left-wing analysis. It is a limp response to the question "Why isn't M4A even on the agenda anymore? What happened to the GND or Bidenomics?"

The problem is that the difference between an abundance lib and a socialist is chauvinism. And chauvinism runs impossibly deep.

The deregulate industries libs and let the markets handle it clinton libs? they are centrists wriggling their way into getting lobby money while being dem-acceptable, not dems wriggling their way into equality. The "why do we have regulations on air filtration systems libs?" parse out their logic, it's literally libertarian 90s bits about "government regulations"

leaving aside ezra, the rest of them are genocidal maniacs as well

nope they are possibly the furthest from communism of anyone. They have woven intricate fantasies to insulate themselves from having to be leftwing. They are specifically anti-left and their ideology is handmade to innoculate peole against the left.

Just like the radlibs were the most fervent warmongers, and in fact the most dangerous imperialists in the USA, these are the most dangerous reactionaries.

Abundance is an interesting phenomenon. Its the first time since the Great Society libs propose a grand vision of the world instead of their usual nothing will fundamentally change other than welfare tweaks

I agree that a lot of them are ripe for moving left as their vision runs into the brick wall of capital

They at least understand that they need to promise a better future to win. The problem is they're just repackaging neoliberalism which isn't going to cut it.

EDIT: While I still think its worthwhile to reach out to disaffected libs. I take back my endorsement of the abundance agenda. I refuse to “hand it to” fascists of any flavor, including Strasserites with rainbow flags.

Hexbear posters, best-bear posters.