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Conversely, I don't consider having a machine rapidly output media to impersonally proliferate your message to be a good faith interaction for your audience but I'm not the one with the banhammer (lemmy.world)
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/29035971

Posting here for preservation's sake

Image in removed comment was the attached Palpatine image. Curious to see if the same admin mod would remove these screenshots if I crosspost them to !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com , which they also admin and mod. Would I get a fair trial there or will my dissenting and others’ be silenced?

You can’t say you’re against disinfo if you’re knowing and intentionally promulgating it and abetting its usage. They also didn’t even remove the Reddit watermark.

This is why I don’t assign identities unto myself, because you criticize one action done wrong by leaders of an ideology or movement and bam! you’re shut out of it completely. They’ve lost the aid of an ally and progress is impeded by being shorted a participant trying to correct the course.

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[-] MysticMushroom1776@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 19 hours ago

YDI, what did you expect coming into a leftist anti-copyright community on a leftist anti-copyright instance? You whine about AI in every post and comment using it. You need to learn to block them, otherwise you'll keep having experiences like these.

[-] UniversalMonk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 16 hours ago

YDI. Like others have said, we're against copyright here.

[-] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 day ago

YDI. This is an anarchist, copyleft instance. We don't value the capitalist idea of intellectual property. Take that neoliberal bullshit back to the centrist safe spaces.

[-] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I disagree with how a lot of that thread was moderated, and I do think that a permaban was a heavy-handed. Not that you weren't necessarily entirely without fault.

I'd say it's a combo of BPR and PTB

[-] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com -3 points 1 day ago

This is a copyleft, pro genAI instance. We don't even agree that copyright or intellectual property is moral, let alone the argument tat keeps popping up that it's "stealing". Once you release an idea to the world, it becomes part of the human condition. It doesn't belong to you, and saying you "own" something that's a part of another person's consciousness is akin to saying slavery is acceptable.

There are plenty of safe spaces for that neoliberal capitalist bullshit, but on an anarchist instance is not it. They deserved it, and I think it should be made into an instance-wide rule that anti-AI conversation be banned for being in direct contradictions to our morals and political philosophy, with repeat violators being banned.

[-] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I agreed until you got to the point that anti-AI conversation should be banned. And because I agreed up to that point, I think I joined the wrong instance. I could go along with y'all being pro-AI because im not inherently against it, just cautious as a person, knowing people abuse any kind of power far too often. And, I dont have to use AI in my life while still having anarchist beliefs. It's a choice, so long as you hold no power and do no damage to others with your tools . . Banning conversation is holding power and using it against others, which is inherently not anarchy.

I guess the Anarchism I grew up with has changed. Bummer to hear.

Edit to add, I'm really tired of labels, I'm tired of having to put myself in a box for social media to digest.

[-] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 31 minutes ago

This is banding together to defend our communities from those who would do us harm, That's mutual aid, and there isn't anything more anarchist than that. If you don't agree, then you probably weren't very aligned with anarchism in the first place.

[-] UniversalMonk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 16 hours ago

Well said!

[-] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Those aren't the only reasons to dislike AI. So, claiming that any argument against AI is inherently neoloberal capitalist is ignorant and childish.

[-] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

Even were that true, which is isn't, this is our instance, to run as we see fit. It isn't up to right-wing liberals to decide how an anarchist collective runs their own space. If you don't like genAI, so somewhere else and don't post your cultist brigading bullshit here. You sure as fuck don't see us going to .world and harassing you lot over AI, do you?

So what, the respect we show you is too fucking much to return?

[-] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I see. So your method of arguing is to label anyone whom you disagree with as "right-wing liberals" and you don't intend on having a genuine conversation.

[-] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 23 hours ago

no, my method of arguing is to label liberals who espouse right-wing capitalist ideals as right-wing liberals. if you don't like being called right-wing, don't fucking pander to corporate bullshit in a LEFTIST INSTANCE. it's really not rocket science, guys.

[-] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 0 points 23 hours ago

Then you must first explain how all arguments against AI are right-wing capitalist ideals. Which you have not done that, so the way you are acting is preposterous.

[-] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 20 hours ago
  1. Being anti-AI is an intrinsically reactionary position to hold.
  2. Leftists should be trying to seize the means of production, not trying to destroy them.
  3. The anti-AI movement puts heavy emphasis on the impact on artists, but most leftists don't believe in copyright or the ownership/privatization of ideas and that includes things like art. Artists absolutely should be publicly funded and properly compensated for their work. But simply fighting against AI tooling will accomplish nothing, and arguably serves to perpetuates copyright rent-seeking by corporations and individuals.
  4. Fighting against or banning the use of AI tools in leftist spaces will accomplish nothing, except to give the capitalists an advantage over leftists. The genie is already out of the bottle. AI tooling, although incredibly annoying in some aspects (such as when it gets inserted into fucking notepad) is also extremely powerful and useful for certain applications. Why would we want to fight with a hand tied behind our backs over some romantic idyll of pre-gen AI times?
  5. A hammer can be a tool or a weapon. Same with AI. Nobody is talking about banning hammers, despite the fact they are often used as weapons or for nefarious purposes.
  6. The anti-AI movement is primitivist and regressive in nature. It hearkens back to the "good old days" when artists were well compensated by rich patrons, and artisans and skilled craftsmen filled every small town. It's a fantasy that never really existed, and one that will never exist under capitalism.
  7. FOSS AI projects are available such as Db0's AI Horde which seeks to democratic access to GenAI. There is no requirement to use corporate tooling.
[-] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago
  1. That's an opinion, not a fact. And while I agree that in many circumstances there are plenty of reactionary responses, it does not get anywhere close to 100%.
  2. Irrelevant to the point.
  3. You're conflating an "anti-AI movement" with just not liking AI.
  4. I never made any claims about banning AI or even fighting against it, really. Not sure why you're ascribing that to me, and it doesn't provide any argument to the main claim that "disliking AI is always from right-wing capitalism".
  5. While I get your overall point here and mostly agree that AI is 'just a tool', the rest of your point is based on banning, which is not part of the discussion. Also, it's a pretty false equivalent argument, but I assume you're not expecting it to be a 1:1 comparison, just trying to make the point that it's just a tool and should not be labeled as inherently bad.
  6. Once again, you're conflating an "anti-AI movement" with just not liking AI. I don't know if there' some big coordinated "anti-AI movement" that makes that argument in particular and I've somehow never heard of it or seen any evidence of, but it seems to me you've created a fake, absurd strawman.
  7. That's great and helps obviate one of my main issues with AI.

In total, you've made zero arguments for the logic that any sentiment of disliking AI should be met with hostility and all comes from a source of “right-wing liberals”. All I see is unfounded attempts of vilifying people who simply disagree with you by shoving a label onto them. Another way to describe this is "bad-jacketing".

I suggest you read about "bad-jacketing". Particularly as a moderator and that it is described in rule 1 of the instance.

I will now disengage because I have ample evidence that you and _cryptagion don't intend on a genuine interaction.

[-] MysticMushroom1776@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 14 hours ago

You’re conflating an “anti-AI movement” with just not liking AI.

@Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com is literally an admin, they have access to voter and user metric data that you don't. Who are you to claim there isn't brigading or a movement going on? That's right you don't and can't actually know better than they do. If I didn't know better I might think you were trying to deny this issue due to your part in it.

[-] MysticMushroom1776@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 hours ago

@DrAwkwArD@lemmy.world You have no post or comment history whatsoever for two years, yet here you are in this thread downvoting comments. Sus...

@Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com This is what I mean when I say there is brigading here, people are using bots or their own alt accounts to vote on accounts

[-] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 hours ago

Yeah, thanks for the heads up. I've proposed in !div0_governance@lemmy.dbzer0.com to update the instance rules to disallow anti-genAI trolling in communities where genAI is allowed. They can take their pro-copyright-rentseeking campaign elsewhere. Don't know why they thought it would fly here.

I've got no real problem with folks taking that position tbh, but it's not ok to dogpile posts on our communities like has happened here. I'm also somewhat sympathetic to the argument that GenAI is having an impact on artists' livelihoods. But they haven't connected the dots that this is only an issue because of greedy corporations trying to fuck over artists. They are directing all their anger towards GenAI instead of the real source of the problem. By all means advocate for greedy corporations to stop using AI to increase their profits at the expense of artists. But to come into a leftist space and demand that we stop using AI too is at best tokenistic, and at worst just serves to obfuscate the fundamental problem.

The users engaged in trolling here and tying to excuse it as "activism" should think harder about who they are fighting with and why. Even if we did capitulate and ban genAI, that would have zero impact on artists, because we don't pay for artists in the first place. It's nothing but virtue signalling and tokenism. The Luddites didn't go around breaking into peoples houses and smashing their spinning wheels. They went to factories owned by rich men and companies to destroy machinery in order to disrupt production and fight for workers rights and safety. Good on them too! If the anti genAI brigade were fighting against Getty's (or Adobe, etc.) use of AI that might actually have a useful leftist purpose, and the analogy with the Luddites would work. Instead they are here causing a nuisance in a leftist community, over some random crossposted GenAI meme. Good work guys - job done I guess, the capitalists must be quaking in their boots right now because of your "activism".

[-] MysticMushroom1776@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 hours ago

I think @shaiatan@midwest.social is probably another one, does have history, but 2 months inactive. Maybe I'm being too aggressive but this Anti-AI brigade is out of control.

[-] MysticMushroom1776@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 hours ago

Yeah I agree, the Anti AI movement (and it is a movement) is extremely reactionary and doesn't accomplish anything. Certainly isn't helping artists. And yeah they're not even comparable to luddites who went after factories back in the day. Anti-AI trolls are going after individual people, often harassing people, also deciding to use any arguments even ones proven to be lies or faulty. They're inadvertently helping big corporations by making themselves and their movement look like quacks or trolls.

Yeah, thanks for the heads up. I’ve proposed in !div0_governance@lemmy.dbzer0.com to update the instance rules to disallow anti-genAI trolling in communities where genAI is allowed. They can take their pro-copyright-rentseeking campaign elsewhere. Don’t know why they thought it would fly here.

Did you post it yet? I didn't see it there.

[-] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

Blatantly ignoring disengage while also making absolutely unfounded and ridiculous claims. Absolutely shameful.

You think admins are infallible? You're only attacking me with these claims because I'm calling out someone who happens to be an admin. They are still human and, clearly, capable of doing wrong.

The whole point of this conversation is that it is wrong to assume everyone who simply shows a dislike in AI is a 'right-wing pro-capitalist liberal'. That is a judgement of a person's ideals and values based on a single metric that has no inherent connection to right-wing liberalism.

Now you have convinced me to block this entire instance because of this abhorrent behavior.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 4 hours ago

Blatantly ignoring disengage while also making absolutely unfounded and ridiculous claims. Absolutely shameful.

You are attempting to abuse the disengage rule. If you want to disengage, you're not supposed to also try to put the last word in. Just disengage without arguing further.

[-] MysticMushroom1776@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 hours ago

Now you have convinced me to block this entire instance because of this abhorrent behavior.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out, troll.

[-] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 9 hours ago

it's another user entirely. they didn't ignore disengage, they are commenting on it

[-] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Right. I misunderstood thinking that it meant that all people must respect the person's desire to be left out of it. It would probably be a better rule if that were the case. But, apparently rules don't really matter here anyways.

I also missed an important part of it:

For a disengage call to be valid, it must not be accompanied by other arguments on the existing topic. A disengage is not meant to be a trump card to have the last word.

It still doesn't excuse the disgusting behavior.

I simply wanted to be done, because there is zero respect shown here.

I'm also now frustrated that the instance block appears to not be working, since I got a notification for this reply.

I don't want to deal with any interactions with anything or anyone related to db0 after this appalling lack of any respect, utterly shameful accusations, and weird cult-like attitude towards an admin.

[-] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 33 minutes ago

Since you obviously have no intention of actually disengaging, there's no problem with me pointing out that the disgusting behavior here is you intruding upon our instance to push your own shitty agenda, while insisting we abide by your dumbass rules about civility so we don't hurt your fweelings. This is the problem with you self-righteous .world liberal hacks, you think the entire fediverse is your own little kingdom to do whatever you wish in, but can't handle your cult-like world views being challenged.

Absolutely disgusting, and since you won't be seeing our communities anymore, I say good riddance, and absolutely nothing of any value whatsoever was lost by not having you around.

[-] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 8 hours ago

an instance block will stop db0 content from showing in your feed.. comments will still populate and users can still comment back to you.

[-] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 day ago

You can complain all you like in here, feel free.

Different communities have different purposes and different moderation guidelines. So I think this is a ridiculous take. The lefty memes comm is of course going to be seen by certain people as "propaganda", but it's not for them, it's for leftists. If other folks also enjoy it then great, but if not, no big deal.

You can’t say you’re against disinfo if you’re knowing and intentionally promulgating it and abetting its usage. They also didn’t even remove the Reddit watermark.

(So) what?? We have no rules against reposting AI generated images in that community. What AI images have I ever posted to FvD? None, zero, sfa... unless they were the subject of a debunking article. So it was just a bullshit troll comment afaik.

But we do have an instance rule that says "Fuck around and find out", a community rule in Lefty Memes that says "1. Socialist Unity in the form of mutual respect and good faith interactions is enforced here" and finally " 3. No liberalism, (right-wing) revisionism or reactionaries."

This is why I don’t assign identities unto myself, because you criticize one action done wrong by leaders of an ideology or movement and bam! you’re shut out of it completely. They’ve lost the aid of an ally and progress is impeded by being shorted a participant trying to correct the course.

Also you:

I'm not feeling a lot of allyship vibes from that tbh.

The reason you got a permaban is because the anti-ai crowd usually can't stop themselves from banging on about it. If you agree to not post bullshit troll comments in the community again then I'll consider reducing the ban.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 day ago

YDI.

[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago

Mmm, sorry. I agree in principle, but that was definitely outside of community rules.

That makes it YDI, even though it seems a permaban was issued. That could matter, because this could have been your first offense, and that's a heavy handed action with no malice in the comment removed.

But if it isn't your first offense, or it was compounded after the fact with comments, messages, or other events that exacerbate the original rule breaking, a permaban could be justified.

While I understand that the concept of responding to a meme with a meme being rule breaking is one that isn't exactly clear in those rules, I believe that a reasonable person could tell that the meme used in response is one that is commonly used in a dismissive and/or condescending manner. The subject of the meme image, and the "irony" that meme conveys is not close to the line, it's a pretty blunt put down.

Since it's in meme form as well, it isn't engaging, it's just an offhand, smug response. Within the rules of that community, that is absolutely a removable comment.

I rarely do this, but I disagree with a lot of the established rules of that community, and have it blocked partially because of their specific rules and moderation policies. While that's off topic for this community, I want to make it clear that I would, on an emotional response level, have preferred this be power tripping. But it just wasn't.

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 14 hours ago

Squorlple indeed has a long history of bad faith trolling, and Bad-jacketing. He should consider himself lucky he wasn't given a permanent instance ban. I certainly would've had I been in charge of that descision and I can't blame other people for having the same opinion. There's only so much bullshit people can tolerate from someone before it's clear that they're 1. Never going to contribute anything in good faith, and 2. Never going to change. It's why we have permanent bans in the first place.

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 hours ago

Squorlple was banned from blahaj for reference of how bad faith they are.

[-] mke@programming.dev -5 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Is criticizing the AI trend and its adopters in any manner always against db0/comm rules?

I posted two comments, one criticism and one a question to another commenter. None palpatine reaction images. Both were deleted.

[-] nargis@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago

YDI. It's a leftist community. Stop brigading and read the rules.

[-] nomugisan@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 day ago

YDM. Go be an annoying liberal somewhere else and learn how to follow community/instance rules ❤️

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