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Now I understand why at each windows 11 update, they introduce more bugs than ever

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[-] krimson@lemmy.world 236 points 1 week ago

Horseshit.

The current state of code generated by AI is sketchy at best. I often get plain wrong answers because the model tries to derive. It comes up with calls to functions and properties that just do not exist.

"You are right, I made a mistake. Here is a better answer." Continues to give wrong answers.

Apart from that, apps that are glued together from AI generated code are not maintainable at all. What if there is a bug somewhere and you so not comprehend what is actually happening? Ask AI to fix it? Yeah good luck with that.

I do use AI for simple questions, and it works fairly well for that, but this claim by MS is just marketing bullshit.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 78 points 1 week ago

This ^

"20%-30% of code inside the company’s repositories"

Now, if they had said "20%-30% of code written in the past 6 months..." I might buy that.

The repositories are going to have all the current codebase, likely going back years now. AI generated code is barely viable at this point and really only pretty recently.

No way 1/3rd of all current codebase is AI.

[-] taladar@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 week ago

Even 20% of new code would be a stretch unless they count every first iteration of code written by AI that needs to be replaced by a human later because it was plain wrong.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Maybe they're counting the six iterations of code it gives me as I tell it what's wrong with each one.

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[-] takeda@lemm.ee 14 points 1 week ago

They say that because they are selling it.

And yeah, my experience is the same. The most frustrating is when writing in a typed python, and it gives answers that are clearly incorrect, making up attributes that don't even exist etc.

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[-] jaybone@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago

I didn’t RTA, but if they mean ALL code at MS, that just can’t be true. They have legacy stuff going back decades, beyond just their windows platform. There’s no way 30% of all their code is replaced or newly created by AI.

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[-] IcyToes@sh.itjust.works 81 points 1 week ago

He used the word written by software. This is ambiguous and doesn't mean AI, for example, using annotations for variables and generating the getters and setters would count. Right click and create function body for interface function definitions also.

They're exaggerating to pretend their AI is more useful than it is.

[-] MoonRaven@feddit.nl 17 points 1 week ago

Intellisense in visual studio has also been really good for over a decade. Which is technically also written by software and not me.

[-] jaybone@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 week ago

People have been using annotations to generate code since I rode my dinosaur to work.

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[-] WhatSay@slrpnk.net 51 points 1 week ago

So the CEO is trying to tell investors that they are saving money by not paying employees. But to me it sounds more like: we are letting our sub-par products continue to enshitify, and any other company using AI to program will be equal competition.

[-] normalexit@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

I think he's trying to say that their AI writes code good enough for Microsoft. Which is a message to other business leaders that your company too can benefit from copilot, just hand over your credit card!

Microsoft has absolutely gotten worse in the consumer space, but that isn't really their business these days.

[-] wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago

They're worse in the business space too. Teams is crashing on me daily.

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[-] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago

Power move by the zucc by first asking how much genai is used at Microsoft then refusing to answer his own question at Facebook 😂

[-] joelfromaus@aussie.zone 36 points 1 week ago

This is my own experience but the past few years Windows has been extremely dependable for me and then in the last few months the updates they’ve have been terrible. I’ve seen more blue screens recently than I have in a lot of years.

All this to say that if it is 30% AI code being used then it’s very telling!

[-] themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Windows was always garbage to be honest, windows 7 was the best release in my opinion. You are correct though it is way worse these past months. By the way does your mouse lag when the update notification comes up?

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[-] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 31 points 1 week ago

Government spyware finally has a challenger for the title of "primary reason that most Microsoft software runs like hot garbage".

[-] megopie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 1 week ago

I bet they’re counting code written while someone had an AI plugin installed as “written by AI” and I bet that accounts for almost all of that 30%. On top of that, I’m betting that they made it mandatory to have such a plug in, and the other 70% is just code written before they mandated this.

[-] taladar@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago

I would be very surprised if 30% of their code lines had even been touched at all by anyone since AI coding assistants became a thing.

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[-] SandmanXC@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Also, having 1/3 lines with obvious code that can be auto suggested correctly would make sense, but that is hardly code "written by ai" in the way they suggest.

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[-] FergleFFergleson@infosec.pub 27 points 1 week ago

Well, that would explain a lot.

I'm also guessing that at "up to 30%" of the company's leadership decisions are being made by AI too.

[-] ddash@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 1 week ago

"Up to" can also be 0%. Why is there even a need to say "up to" here.

[-] taladar@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago

So you are saying up to 100% of their code is written by AI?

[-] superkret@feddit.org 11 points 1 week ago

Up to 100% of all Windows code was written by a Macaque monkey on meth.

[-] taladar@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

So you are saying up to 100% of all Windows code is Mac code?

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

If they mean “30% of the code we wrote last month” then I might believe it. Though I bet it is not across the board but deep in one or two areas. Still, it’s a crazy number.

But he said something like “30% of the code in our repositories” which would mean everything, including their entire legacy of code. And that I simply do not believe.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It wouldn't surprise me at all if they entered the entire codebase for Windows 11 into an LLM and asked it to optimize it or some shit lol

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[-] MangoCats@feddit.it 5 points 1 week ago

My first thought on reading that is: yeah, like about 98% of the human genome is "junk DNA" that we have little or no idea what it might be doing. Sometimes when we cut it out, nobody ever notices, sometimes when we cut it out the system won't boot up.

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[-] Bieren@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

Work for a big software company. With all the offshoring of devs, I expect most of our code is now AI. And it shows.

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[-] Auli@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 week ago

Is this why they haven't said why they one folder needs to be there. They actually don't know.

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[-] Pirata@lemm.ee 15 points 1 week ago

So this explains why Microsoft Swiftkey is total dogshit now. Also why the Outlook barely works.

Its unbelievable.

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 14 points 1 week ago

"30% of my pants is pooped"

[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

this makes way more sense than hundreds of shitty devs.

[-] toastmeister@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago

Even their AI crashes all the time, its brutal.

[-] RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

this is why I get so much business as a IT consultant lol

[-] chilicheeselies@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago
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[-] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 week ago

We know Microsoft.

Hardly possible not to noticce..

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago

“Written by software” does not inherently mean AI.

Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella said that 20% to 30% of code inside the company’s repositories was “written by software” — meaning AI.

Nadella gave the figure after Zuckerberg asked roughly how much of Microsoft’s code is AI generated today.

I highlighted part of the article for you.

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[-] superkret@feddit.org 9 points 1 week ago

Honestly, I'm not surprised.

[-] MTK@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

We can tell

[-] Teknikal@eviltoast.org 7 points 1 week ago

Windows is 95 percent pure bloat now imo, an os just needs to handle my hardware and launch my programs anything else is just eating my resources.

[-] TwinTitans@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Yeah, I can tell every time I have to use that dinosaur of an OS.

[-] MeaanBeaan@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Everybody saying this is why their products are shit are really confusing me. It's not like Microsoft just started being terrible. They've been terrible for a real long time. Way before AI was a thing. This is just a symptom of Microsoft's awfulness not a reason for it.

[-] D_C@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago

Ok, it's like this.
Ms used to release shitty stuff. And they'll continue to release shitty stuff except now it'll be 30% more shitty.

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[-] Antaeus@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Copilot. Piloting you towards effortless bugs, and with all the telemetry, we don’t need to test our patches and updates. You, the user are doing that for us. Sincerely, Microsoft.

[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago

Year of the Linux desktop

(Amusing sidenote: my autocomplete's first suggestion after 'Linux' was 'propaganda'.)

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