They have no idea what they are talking about but they have convinced themselves that they are hard done by and no amount of facts or explanation will change their minds.
So, typical conservatives.
Yes.
Let them get very serious about separation. and its consequences. Only when they face it will they realize what they'll have. Or not have. I can tell you one thing - once they have their own currency, it will appreciate. It'll make oil production costs more expensive, make their oil and gas less profitable. Further, their currency becomes directly pegged to the oil price, with little to no stability which makes doing business and trade-dependent economy like theirs and ours more difficult and costly. They will ask to continue to use Canadian dollar and we should absolutely refuse it - they want the benefits without the costs.
Equalization payments are there for economic imbalances. Look at EU. Once Germany joined EU and uses Euro, it is like a currency depreciation making their goods more cost effective in the world market. Thus Germany enjoys a huge trade surplus. It's not a coincidence Germany has had huge trade surpluses since they went to a common currency. This surplus would shrink if they went back to their own currency, as the Mark will appreciate due to the trade surplus vs other currencies making their goods less competitive in global market.
Every mention of separation I've seen from Albertans involves them using Canada's currency, military, and pension plan. The people behind the movement are far too dumb to actually figure out their own country. It'll either end up being an instant US territory, or they'll collapse in a year or two.
Remember the term "Sovereignty Association"
Yes, because I was there.
The oil in Alberta belongs to Canada, just like the nickel in Ontario belongs to Canada, just like the hydro electricity in Quebec belongs to Canada, just like the fisheries in the maritimes belong to Canada.
The only things that don't belong in Canada are fascists.
So very very true
Albertan here. It’s not going to happen. Even the idiots think it’s an idiotic idea put forth by the biggest idiots.
They’ll still vote conservative though. 🙄
They are mad because when they were children, their daddy was mad at Trudeau.
That's definitely part of it. Most of the hereditary tory voters aren't on the separatist train, though.
I literally just had this conversation before the election ha ha.
They don't know. I've talked to Albertans about this, and when you actually ask them what they're mad about, they struggle to answer. They've grown up being taught that everyone else in Canada is fucking over their province, to the point where the actual specifics don't even matter. It's just an article of faith.
My wife is Albertan. We lived there for 20 years, worked, paid taxes, started a family, voted. About 10 years ago we moved to Nova Scotia, my home.
We used to be hard-working people but apparently we're just bums now even to our own family and former friends. Fuck those albertans. They make the rest of us who actually worked hard and turned that place into something, outcasts for no reason other than their own stupidity and greed.
I hope they sink. Every last one of them.
There are people in Alberta who don't want to separate. In fact, the majority don't want to separate. This move will only be bad for the fascists. They will devide their voting base, and the ndp will take power again.
All I see is a win for Alberta the more these fascists talk about separation.
And if this is true, Albertans will stand up and take their government. Something they've done once in the past at least. I hope they do. Until that day however...
I am hard convinced that most "Albertan" seperatists are genuinely astroturfers trying to sway Canadian politics.
The ones that are legit are your bog-standard victimized conservative types. Every hardship they've ever faced is the fault of someone taking something they "deserve" with no genuine logic behind it rather than a self-centered belief that they are entitled to a level of prosperity that the majority of the world can barely dream of. So they aren't mad about one or more clear things; it's the general sense that they deserve more than they've been given, and the constant lie that others have been taking from them.
A ton of astroturfing going on. Foreign powers want a weaker, split-up Canada so that they can exert more influence through international oil oligarchy.
Like almost all of them believe in conspiracy theories. It's a fringe movement at this point, if a large one.
So, probably that George Soros personally stuffed all the ballot boxes for Carney.
Losing.
I'd like to elaborate on this one.
Like in America their candidates certainly wins elections, but I think we can see how much they themselves are actually winning these days.
Realistically if your hopes and dreams depends on people like [insert picture of Trump] you're on a real uphill battle in life to begin with.
Seems like foreign interference like the truck convoy.
Unfortunately those same people haven't figured it out yet and are being the gullable idiots again.
They think that their country is stealing their gold.
They are mad that their butts hurt.
Whatever Russia and MAGA news tell them to be mad about. I think they and Smith hope Alberta could be Crimea.
Listening to what fascists say at face value is a classic media failure.
I'll give it to you straight and simple.
They like something about America, and are upset it isnt so in Canada.
They are butthurt that while they love America, America doesn't want them, They dont have a pathway to immigration. Immigration is difficult.
Whether it be that they are uneducated, dont have money, or they are just all bark and no bite, and wont actually go through with the process
So since they cant individually emigrate. So some of them logically reason, that America should come to Alberta, whether it be by Ballot or Bullet.
They want pipelines east, through the provinces that receive the most in equalization payments from oil revenues, who say they want no pipelines.
Either allow pipelines or stop equalization payments I think is their demand. Since obviously they are almost fully reliant on the US due to being landlocked, due to being blocked by the same entity they've been feeding billions to over the decades.
And all the Albertans who are so incensed about that have completely forgotten that they got a major pipeline expansion west through BC under Trudeau. In fact, Trudeau's gov removed a bunch of red tape and poured a bunch of money into the project to make it happen. And yet, guess who they're mad at...
Furthermore, their big ol pipeline was canned by their best buds down south.
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