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[-] gravitywell@sh.itjust.works 198 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Yeah some serious boomer logic going on here.

"We thought that if we kept the foundation and the outer walls of the house and we just took the roof off, it was our understanding that we were going to preserve our Save Our Homes and our homestead,” says Debbie."

"the renovations—removing the roof, adding a second floor —ultimately triggered a full reassessment of the home’s value. Under Florida law, once a property is deemed substantially improved, it can be treated as new construction, removing the protections that had capped the home’s assessed value for years."

[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 173 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Boomer logic ..... "I want all the benefits, entitlements and supports of society and none of the responsibilities."

[-] Noite_Etion@lemmy.world 26 points 2 weeks ago

Can you imagine the pain of having to pay fairly for what you own... Disgusting.

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[-] MsPenguinette@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

At the same time, that absolutely is a life altering change. Even the biggest idiots don't deserve to get their life upended. I don't know what the right solution is, but I can extend significant empathy to "I did a dumb thing and I don't know how to keep my home now without uprooting it".

I've only bought one home and it was recently. It was every bit as aweful as I expected but having seen what they are in for, they might not have the cash around nessicary to sell the home without getting scammed by predatory buyers.

The entirety of real estate is so fucked

[-] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 58 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

A professional tax attorney built a $4.4M home and expected to keep their original valuation?

That’s not a big idiot, that’s attempted tax fraud.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 20 points 2 weeks ago

Won't someone think of the poor multimillionaires?

[-] roofuskit@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

They were trying to cheat their taxes and failed. Fuck em.

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[-] Tikiporch@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

I'm sure it's possible to achieve those things if you know the right people.

[-] Chocrates@lemmy.world 133 points 2 weeks ago

They basically rebuilt their home and are sad it's appraised at market value.

That's at least what I got from it.

[-] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 59 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, not a lot of sympathy from me.

4.4 mil, wow.

[-] henfredemars@infosec.pub 36 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

If it’s that big of a problem for their life, why not just sell the house and be multi-millionaires? It’s a non-story. Maybe they should’ve taken that into consideration.

[-] SpikesOtherDog@ani.social 7 points 2 weeks ago

So, the house is now valued at 6x the original value? If they sold it at only 4-5x it would still be a huge win.

[-] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 7 points 2 weeks ago

Their taxes were grandfathered in because they bought the property at a much lower value, the house was already worth a lot more than they paid for it.

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[-] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 71 points 2 weeks ago

Rich boomers who haven't worked in 30 years want to keep property values high without paying the property tax to go with it

[-] 9point6@lemmy.world 55 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Hahahahahahaha

Oh no, their taxes went up with the value of their property

🎻

[-] blitzen@lemmy.ca 49 points 2 weeks ago

How were they supposed to know real estate law being… checks notes…

a real estate attorney?

[-] Darrell_Winfield@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

I was going to ask why they didn't consult a real estate attorney. Apparently they didn't have a good one...

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 8 points 2 weeks ago

Working for. That doesn't mean paralegal. Reception, copy, courier, title clerk, mail room, etc

[-] blitzen@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 weeks ago

That’s a fair point. But at the very least it can be said she should have had the resources not to be surprised by this.

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[-] MintyFresh@lemmy.world 31 points 2 weeks ago

Debbie, who had worked for a real estate attorney for nearly 25 years

Lol, a real estate attorney didn't see this coming? I feel sorry for any clients of hers.

[-] roofuskit@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

She worked FOR a real estate attorney. And apparently learned nothing.

[-] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 30 points 2 weeks ago

basically what happens when you create and support a housing system whose goal is to make profit. doesnt matter if you yourself plan on living in it, people voted for the system that approved the nonsense of longterm profiteering of a basic need.

[-] blitzen@lemmy.ca 25 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

You’d think a real estate attorney would know better.

Anyway, property –with the improvements they made, has appreciated over $163,000 on average every year since they bought it. Ya, $75k more than they planned on sucks, but they can take it from the value of the house no?

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[-] Ton@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago

It's always funny when looking at the tax-system in the US from an EU perspective. Americans looking at any receipt they get in an EU country and immediately pointing out the huge VAT tariff.

Then one only needs to point to the property tax in the US.

[-] roofuskit@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Sales taxes are regressive. People who spend more money on services and less on goods are typically wealthier. Sales taxes hit the poor the hardest. Whereas the property tax on a multi unit building is typically a better rate for each family than a single family home.

If you read the article these people tried to abuse a loophole that had kept their propery taxes capped for years and they failed miserably. They tried to keep just enough of the home to avoid the value of the home being reassessed for taxes. But they added an entire second story and that triggered the reassessment. Essentially they thought they could cheat and build more home than they could afford to pay for.

Which country doesn't charge VAT on services?

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[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 weeks ago

The homeowners have two options, and both options suck.

  • sell
  • don't sell

Both alternatives carry costs. But they own a home worth 4.4mil and have to pay 2% of that each year. That's pretty low.

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[-] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

Sure must be nice having a house to remodel.

[-] oakey66@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

Fuck off and sell the home. Why is this a sob story.

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[-] MolecularCactus1324@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

That sucks, but I also think the era of the single family home is ending. No regular person can afford these home prices. Even if you can afford a one time renovation on your $650,000 house does not mean you can afford a $90,000/year tax bill. Single family home values have gone off the charts and regular people cannot afford them. We need to increase housing supply.

[-] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 2 weeks ago

They’re artificially high because concentrated wealth is buying up the supply. As of 2024 as much as 25% of the supply is being purchased by institutional investors in some markets

[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 7 points 2 weeks ago

Tbh, concentrated wealth wouldn't be able to squeeze the market if there was a healthy supply. There's a lot of issues with single family homes, but the tl;Dr is that they're expensive because they are by FAR the least efficient way to house people, and it's basically the only kind of housing that most cities allow by zoning area.

[-] tomkatt@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

This is it, and it’s been happening for years. I had a new home built in 2021 and it’s already appreciated by 25%, and periodically been valued even higher than that. I’m not selling, but that still seems crazy to me.

Bonus points for the fact the newly built home and land purchase were about the same cost as it would have been to buy an old run down home in the area that would have needed a ton of work and updates. Few people seem to be building new housing, which in conjunction with the corporate housing acquisitions is driving prices way up.

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[-] deathbird@mander.xyz 7 points 2 weeks ago

Okay I know it's not such a popular opinion but I'm still on the notion that you shouldn't pay taxes for holding on to the place that you live.

Yeah yeah local governments need income and all that and their house is assessed over 4 million dollars and many people can't even afford a home at a 10th of that and they should have known and blah blah blah but come on, commodified housing is bad enough. Paying what amounts to a rent to the state just to hold on to the property, actual repairs and upkeep and other naturally occurring costs aside is insane.

Tax the sales of property. Tax the legal transfer of control of LLCs that "own" property. I'm not even saying never charge property tax on properties not occupied by the owner, but you should be able to have a house to live in without paying the state for the privilege of them not taking it.

[-] tills13@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago

What in the libertarian garbage is this? Do you like roads, schools, libraries, parks, garbage pickup, etc etc etc. Property taxes pay for these things.

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[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Tax the sales of property.

I'm thinking of the untended consequences of that policy. The first I can think of is people simply would never sell their houses because they'd get hit with enormous taxes (large enough to equal decades of property taxes). Home owners would simply rent out the houses when they need/want to move away. So home ownership for those living in the homes would collapse. Further, city services would likely starve from lack of funding because there would be no little revenue and what revenue they got would be very sporadic.

but you should be able to have a house to live in without paying the state for the privilege of them not taking it.

There are absolutely houses like that (in the USA at least). Those houses not in cities with police and fire protection, roads, sidewalks, snow plowing, public libraries, or any other kind of city services. If you want the benefits of a society someone has to pay the bill. Alternatively, some cities have income taxes or very high sales tax. Both of which you'd pay to live in the city.

Who are you suggesting paying the bill for your consumption of city services besides you?

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago

You're planning to tax on events like sales and hope there's enough churn to still fully-fund the things property tax provides for? That's really hard to make a case for.

Given bungalows rarely deliver a town enough to recoup on providing and maintaining services anyway, you're starting with a very tricky goal to maintain. Detroit happened, and that was with consistent, recurring payments.

Then you want to put a home sales tax on that is big enough to pay the back taxes plus borrowing cost to hold the debt and you think people are gonna go for this? What if you've owned your home 15 years, paid no taxes on the infrastructure maintenance, ambulance fire or police service, mail service, street lights and pavement, and then your house burns down? You could very well owe more than the lot is worth alone. What do we tell the homeowner about that? The town can't absorb the loss given margins are so low.

Nah. I don't think you can sell that idea to the voters.

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[-] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Every think about downsizing?

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