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[-] azimir@lemmy.ml 114 points 2 months ago

"It turns out not burning a bunch of fossil fuels leads to less pollution"... news at 11.

The really dumb part of all of this is that people have just accepted cars as the default mode of transportation for so long that it's hard to even envision a world without them. They're normal, despite being expensive, dangerous, horribly inefficient, killing people actively (crashes) and passively (air pollution, plastic in our lungs, parkinsons/dementia, obesity, and more), and directly contributing to isolation in our communities. Every car we can get off the road, especially in our cities, makes the world a better place.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

people have just accepted cars as the default mode of transportation

That wasn't an accident and it didn't just 'happen;' it was the very deliberate result of a combination of automobile and oil industry propaganda and US government policy back in the 1930s-1950s, motivated by several factors ranging from utopian modernist city planning to good ol'fashioned racism.

Some random sources to get folks started:

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

there's also the argument that pushing to distribute population centers away from cities forced the soviet union to manufacture larger and more numerous atomic weapons to maintain parity with US capabilities.

not in the "hey we want to save as many people" way it's portrayed, more like, let's make it harder for the sov's to equal the potential megadeaths we intended to dish out

[-] br3d@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago
[-] azimir@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 months ago

I'll definitely have to check out the underpinnings and use of that term. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.

[-] Kualdir@feddit.nl 10 points 2 months ago

After I've moved I could technically do everything using public transport and bikes

The issue is that public transport is literally more expensive than a private car for me in the Netherlands (as I get a company car)

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

Perhaps ask the company to reimburse you for the transit costs rather than providing the car? I'm sure they would love to save the money, and let you continue to save the money the car was saving you.

[-] Kualdir@feddit.nl 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I have an OV pass to use public transport for work but I get to use my car privately for free (outside of extra taxes) and not the OV pass

[-] Almacca@aussie.zone 5 points 2 months ago

That just sounds like a policy revision away from being fixed. Have you asked?

[-] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 months ago

Yeah, "you get to keep the car, I get unlimited travel pass, deal?" People often seem to think policies are iron clad, but they're just decisions.

Might be hard because the car is a significant upfront investment. The sunk cost is another big reason people defend their cars.

[-] Kualdir@feddit.nl 1 points 2 months ago

I've got a flex lease which I can end at any time so sunk cost should not be an issue here 😄

[-] Kualdir@feddit.nl 2 points 2 months ago

I was planning on checking after I moved but nit high hopes, org is pretty rigid

[-] Inktvip@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago

Even with a privately owned car, driving somewhere is often still cheaper than public transport here. Including when factoring in maintenance. The only thing that might offset it when driving alone is parking costs.

Every time my wife and me want to visit a city I look at train tickets as it would be convenient to just get off the station in the city centre, only for me to realise that I’m way better off just driving there, and then use buses/metro to get around the city itself.

[-] WarlordSdocy@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago

The crazy thing as well is that especially after COVID people will use the isolation of cars as a positive. You have people who don't like transit cause they would have to be near other people. Which just shows how crazy isolated and disconnected from our communities we are in the US atleast.

[-] Bibbiliop@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Its an interesting angle because that is what we did exactly with smartphones and social media too. We adopted them so voluntarily as if they were the best things happened in this century.

But looks like in todays world we could have been a much better society without them ever existing

[-] Photuris@lemmy.ml 52 points 2 months ago

France isn’t perfect or without its own problems (or fucking right-wingers), but damn overall they’re really crushing it lately.

(I wonder how hard it is to emigrate to France…)

[-] mEEGal@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago

It depends : are you white ?

[-] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Does that actually make it easy, or just less hard?

(Je l'envisage sérieusement, d'ailleurs.)

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[-] freebee@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

That's happening in Paris. Some other cities are moving in right direction too, some installing new trams from zero etc. Most bigger cities have subways. But you should try visiting rural France without a car... Not a butcher or a bakery left for many kilometers/villages around, only big roadside Malls with an enormous supermarket and some fake little "shops" at the entrance. Many rural villages are dead and without a car you're screwed big time. This is where the Gilet Jaunes came from.

[-] teolan@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Our president just said democracy? Never heard of her and named prime minister a member of the party with the least elected parliementaries but OK.

[-] slaacaa@lemmy.world 40 points 2 months ago

Just one more lane bro. I promise bro just one more lane and it'll fix everything bro. Bro, just one more lane. Please just one more, one more lane and we can fix this whole problem bro, bro c’mon just give me one more lane i promise bro, bro bro please! Just need one more lane

[-] xavier666@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago

Average lane-brainer argument

[-] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 months ago

Fact: 99% of city planners quit one lane before they fix traffic

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[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago

It's good that you included the source because without a scale this meant fuck all.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Thank you. I was about to ask for the same thing.

[-] Changer098@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 2 months ago

This graph is HIGHLY misleading as it doesn't include the time in 2019 when Notre Dame's pollution was much higher for a brief period of time.

[-] Isoprenoid@programming.dev 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I was confused for a moment.

Click to see the reason why Notre Dame had much higher pollution for brief period of time in 2019.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre-Dame_fire

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[-] Redex68@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

That sounds nice but oof 4% turnout.

[-] kwr112233@feddit.dk 2 points 2 months ago

Yeah that is very low, but i don’t know what is normal in those elections.

[-] msfroh@lemmy.ca 19 points 2 months ago

They installed efficiency modules to reduce biter expansion?

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 months ago

c'est magnifique.

[-] CannedYeet@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

This is the same thing as a graph where the y-axis doesn't start at zero.

[-] huppakee@lemm.ee 24 points 2 months ago

Op cut it out for some reason, but it is in the linked article. Here is a screenshot of the 'y-axis':

[-] fenrasulfr@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Although it is good that they added riding bicycle lanes I doubt that is the only reason for the lowering of pollution.

Not only do we have electric and hybrid cars, due to euro standard combustion engines have become a lot cleaner during the same span of time. Plus public transport has also become a lot better during that time.

[-] comfy@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago

Thanks for posting source, OP!

[-] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Worst thing about this is that pollution is still pretty bad in Paris, they've come pretty far but there's still a lot of progress to be made there

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