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Every now and then I hear about the whole "internet is forever" thing. I've made attempts at digital privacy and such, but always eventually fall of - convenience wins out, or I just forget things enough, or

What triggered this is some post about ChatGPT's questionable practices, and one of the top comments that read "Assume that anything you write online will be stored forever and then read at your funeral". Another person agrees that everyone should operate like this. I've gone looking and found variations who say you should never post anything you wouldn't put on a postcard, or wouldn't be willing to show your boss or your grandma, or wouldn't want attached to your name and address. People who say they never use the internet for anything remotely personal, or that they keep strict boundaries between private and online life. I literally can't comprehend it.

I have trauma-dumped on ChatGPT before I got rid of my account. I keep resolving to not get personal with it again and literally can't help myself at times. Earlier today I was playing with it, generating fanficky scenarios with favorite tropes for fun - at present, I'm trying to limit myself to only fun stuff like that, or factual questions for ChatGPT, moving more personal work to my glitchy local LLM. Before this though, I have a long-standing issue of oversharing basically anywhere. I don't have much social media - mostly Reddit and Discord, the latter I keep trying to use less because people say it's bad for digital privacy. Even then, these arguments were being brought against ChatGPT and other AI - hardly an open online forum, but it still counts like writing on one.

I've made attempts at digital privacy in the past

But those kinds of injunctions - assume everything you write is not only permanent, but will be used against you/shared with everyone/tied to your name and address regardless of any precautions, makes the whole business even more hopeless. At least one alternative is a kind of school-of-fish theory; that's sort of what I've been working with. Sure it's out there, and it's permanent, but there's enough legwork involved to trace it to YOU, specifically, that no one would actually care to do so because you're one or two tiny data points among billions, so it's as good as anonymous. Better if you compartmentalized so an outsider would fine it even harder to trace back to you. Not truly anonymous obviously, but close enough; to give pause or exercise some discretion but also not worry excessively. Worry more about what you're sharing with whom, the actual users. This stops working if you're assuming that everything is going to be used against you, or attached to you. It makes posting basically impossible. If you're like me and would rather nothing be read at your funeral, not even the shit you MEANT to publish for public consumption, you're left with zero outlets for communication.

So of course, only ever be surface level. Never be honest, or open, or vulnerable. Never ask for help or advice or acknowledge if something is wrong Never confide to anyone. Never share a testimony or an experience. Never tell anyone what you like, or how you think, or who you are. Be an island and a vault.

If there's no one IRL to fill those needs, then perish.

At this point in life, I think I'd actually prefer that.

Because on top of a decade of chronic oversharing, I very much still WANT to put more of myself out there right now. That's the worst and biggest issue I have that makes this whole worry so painful. I've thought about looking for penpals or accountability groups but worry about privacy and the platforms. I've wondered about just joining other Discord groups since I've already handed over enough info but can't be bothered.

Literally the entire reason I (think I) do this is because I have no one IRL. I'm sure I'm not alone in this. I have one, singular social contact and if I go NC with them, I'll have virtually no one. It's not like I can use them to fulfill any of those needs anyway without being told "just don't think about it" or "you're lying and making everything up". And "common sense of the internet" says one SHOULDN'T look online for any kind of relief. Don't ask for reassurance on Reddit or Lemmy or social media, it's personal. Don't look for penpals or online friends, remember your DMs will be saved and broadcasted. Absolutely never touch any kind of mental health board or group, if you can't afford therapy or no one around you is competent then you should just self-destruct harder like they did in the old days (seriously these always feel overlooked in these kinds of privacy/internet-is-forever discussions). Can't even use AI as a substitute because that also counts as "writing online" that you should be afraid of having saved. 

I literally can't fathom being private on the internet at this point. I don't understand how people who think like that survive. I'm probably going to end up continuing on exactly as I please because it's better than rotting. Even with sharing everything I feel like I'm dying of loneliness and I don't care how dramatic that sounds. Same for "I don't see the point of living if I can't chat and overshare with people on the internet".

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[-] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Find more friends IRL or get professional help. EDIT: or both.

[-] sgtlion@hexbear.net 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

What makes you think OP does not want those things??? The whole premise of the post is OP struggling to address and cope with their loneliness.

This is like someone saying "I can't afford to eat enough protein" and your response is "have more money." Duh, we all know, that is literally THE problem.

[-] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Mate, I don't know why you feel the need to argue about this, I guess this is just your thing so I'll play along.

If you think "talking" to chatGPT about your problems is something healthy, think again. Quitting such a bad habit and talking to real people addresses both the loneliness problem and the privacy problem.

Also if you think that suggesting someone to look for professional help is like telling them to "walk it off" I would suggest you to get off the internet for today because you have clearly exceeded the recommended daily dose.

[-] sgtlion@hexbear.net 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

You clearly 100% did not understand my point, as I entirely agree with your points here. Sorry if that's my bad.

[-] Zoop@beehaw.org 2 points 1 day ago

You're not incorrect, but I doubt you're telling OP anything they don't already know. It sounds like they're not able to and/or are struggling to. Maybe you didn't mean it that way, but replying like this came off kind of mean and shitty. You could've just scrolled on by and kept it to yourself. OP is clearly suffering, they deserve kindness.

[-] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

He said he's "trauma-dumping on chatGPT" and that he can't stop. I literally cannot think of anything more helpful than what I wrote.

[-] forsaken_heart_99@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago

I’m 1000% behind trying to socialize and get a network IRL. A few issues being 1) how slow that is .2) how limited it is. Online chatting is efficient, effortless – although my own experience is doing less of that, both by choice, and in attempts to be more “private” and just because communities get slow or drop off or there’s no point because people ignore me. Discord is my #1 privacy sin as far as apps go. And even in this paranoia, IRL communication can have issues. What if they won’t use your special private app? What if they want to email? I keep seeing people say that putting someone in your contacts is bad for privacy but it feels wrong to lie to people like that. This, that, and the other, all with this obsessive management of how you’re presented, treating every text or post as a legacy, that I just can’t even comprehend.

[-] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

A (paid) VPN allows you to use stuff like discord without compromising your privacy, as long as you don't share personal informations. Mullvad, for example, lets you even pay with cash.

There are private mail services, paid ones, from companies that value their customers' privacy. I think a couple of them that I've checked accept cash payments too.

These are just a couple examples of services for using the internet without compromising your privacy. There are tons of sources to research deeper in the topic and decide what you need to achieve your goal.

There's also nothing wrong in being the "weird" one in your circle that doesn't use WhatsApp, or that doesn't save contacts in the phone. In my opinion, at least.

Remember you don't need complete anonimity to protect your privacy, you just need to blend with the crowd and NOT give away personal sensitive data like you are doing with questionable services like chatGPT.

[-] forsaken_heart_99@lemmy.ml 0 points 23 hours ago

I'd already given this kind of information elsewhere, many times, over years. Sometimes I regret it, and try to resolve not to do it anymore, or scrub accounts which feels good but people say it useless, but it always fails. In all honestly I don't WANT to stop, because it has yielded positive results before, and because I literally don't see much of a point in doing anything without at least the approximation of an online social life.

Meanwhile I'm taking sentiments like the OP to suggest that ALL online communication is unsafe. If I truly believed that everything was being stored to be used against me, or was secretly attached to my real name, I wouldn't even give one-word inane responses to anything, much less discuss anything deeper or create anything.

[-] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 16 hours ago

A real sociale life, plus the help of a psychologist, will yeld better results. The second will be useful not only to improve your social life, but also to help with what seems a paranoid approach to this matter.

I have already explained you that you do not need anonymity to protect your privacy and that it's pretty easy to blend with the crowd so that your online activity becomes pretty useless to anyone, even though it could still potentially be traced back to you.

[-] ArtificialHoldings@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Instead of reflecting on your digital privacy as such, it's probably more efficient to the overall goal to work on developing your IRL social network and getting to a place of emotional security. Less time spent online seeking a cure for loneliness means a smaller digital footprint.

[-] forsaken_heart_99@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

That's probable. It sort of came on the heels of some general digital privacy re-evaluations (conclusion: everything is fucked forever). That's what leaves me so overwhelmed though: privacy is literally at odds with meeting people. There's lots of ways to meet people online, that I want(ed?) to try but now it's just fear. Being IRL only is also just incredibly limiting - what are the odds you're going to be able to find people to meet every need or appreciate every side? Casting a wider net online is an option I can't let go of, if only because it has yielded results in the past, that I'm too confused to worry about now. :/

[-] ArtificialHoldings@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Just be at peace with the trades that you have to make with digital privacy to live your life. There are a lot of doomers in this sphere who will tell you that it's worthless unless you go full Luddite. What you're experiencing is less of a sober observation of digital privacy and more of reflection of your current emotional state. Just my 2c.

[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 10 points 1 day ago

Privacy from my perspective is a mix and mach, not a goal to achieve. Its a continuum, a lifestyle, like veganism, not ruining the environment, etc.

Of course you can try to not exist in the registries of big corpos and governments but for that you need insane amounts of discipline and decades of experience, not to mention extensive computer knowledge.

You can achieve good results by using some very basic measures like ad blockers, not accepting any cookies if you can help it. That already just moves the needle in your case. Then you tell your friends to do just this.

If you are curious and want to do more, you can but if you dont have capacity, jusy leave it at that.

What you're talking about is virtue signaling to gain attention. People try to "be good" in the eyes of their perceived mentors and "fans". They post how paranoid they are in the hope of achieving upvotes or other forms of clout. Its not real. What you're feeling is the emptiness of clout and the pointlessness of doing even a good thing for mostly selfish reasons. The return on investment is not great enough.

Thats why one should never try as hard as they can to avoid privacy invasion but just take all passive measures they can put in without negatively impacting their lives.

I for example tried a lot of things but I'm a programmer and system integrator. I do this shit for a living. I tried using a postmarketOS phone as a daily driver. It didnt work out because even after months i still had to think around my phone to not constanly face being disadvantaged. Thats why i changed to lineageos. It is not as awesome as postmarketos but for now, it does the trick, without falling all the way back to apple or stock android. Same goes for pc. Using linux mint or ubuntu is no shame. Its far better than going for arch or nix and falling back to windows.

The important part is to not give in to fascistoid systems and still be functional enough to live, not only survive, if possible.

If you need any help or advice, feel free to contact me.

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 3 points 1 day ago

The important part is to not give in to fascistoid systems and still be functional enough to live, not only survive, if possible.

Proper framing of the issue, right here folks. This is what "privacy" is really about. It is just a major battle of the class we are fighting for currently.

Lack of degree of privacy will result in complete economic subjugation

[-] pandorabox@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

This is a good response❤️ gotta do what you can!

[-] Zoop@beehaw.org 3 points 1 day ago

This is an awesome comment! Thank you for writing it. I sincerely mean that. It helps me maintain my tenuous grasp on faith in humanity, haha. You seem super cool. :)

[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 3 points 1 day ago

Thanks. Very nice of you to say that. Have a good one.

[-] blackwall@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Consider your threat model - figure out what you want to protect against, how you can achieve it, and then decide if it’s worth it. For example if you don’t want your ChatGPT transcripts read out at your funeral, just don’t log in. Or create an account that’s not linked to your regular email / real name. If you’re concerned you’ll be identified by cookies, use an ad blocker. IP address? Use a VPN. Each measure adds a layer of privacy, but probably just using a throwaway email is enough.

[-] forsaken_heart_99@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

So…the way I’ve been reading/interpreting this is that those kinds of precautions aren’t enough, because they're still saved somewhere. That you should act like you’re being monitored even if you take every precaution. Many of the things you listed are the norm for me already. I had a previous post draft where I ran down all my many privacy failures online, several of which are similar behavior on other social media..That’s the real concern here: that such a mentality or realization, taken seriously, cuts off almost every form of online socializing, posting in general, or virtual sources of help if taken seriously. Content creation is right out. And if it’s really the right one, that everyone should follow, that just feels…hopeless and like nothing is remotely safe. Hence this mess.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

or just hosting a local model.

[-] t_378@lemmy.one 4 points 1 day ago

I'm probably going to end up continuing on exactly as I please because it's better than rotting. Even with sharing everything I feel like I'm dying of loneliness and I don't care how dramatic that sounds.

I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Despite what people on here might say (and it's a small echo chamber) there are multitudes of other people in the world, sharing their thoughts online, and in person, and they go on living. Is there a risk "of exposure"? Yes, life inherently carries risks. Frankly I would say to a privacy maximalist to simply unplug their internet connection, lest your ip data is somehow traced back to you.

I know you mentioned not being able to afford therapy. You're probably aware of things like sliding scale payments, and therapists who offer "life coaching" to functionally provide the same service under different billing rates (buyer beware of course).

But as someone who didn't get into therapy until they could afford it as an adult... Have you read any helpful books lately? They might not be a perfect substitute, but in my case, they kept me going.

Good luck!

[-] Zoop@beehaw.org 3 points 1 day ago

I get you. <3 It's all about finding a good balance. Just do what you reasonably can when you reasonably can without harming yourself, and you'll be better off than most people. Like a sort of harm reduction approach, ya know? There's only so much we can do with the way the world around us is set up.

Try to be kind and understanding to yourself. You deserve that. This life is hard enough without us being so damn hard on ourselves like you and I seem to! We don't have to be perfect. Doing what we can to be good enough is better than trying to be perfect and inevitably imploding in the process.

[-] D61@hexbear.net 1 points 1 day ago

There different reasons for wanting privacy or advocating for for personal data privacy and implimenting strategies to support that.

If ever you are in trouble with the state or make the wrong person on the internet angry, the more you've publically shared the easier it will be for them to find something to use against you. So... you can try not to get on anybody's bad side to limit that possibility or you can do your best to compartmentalize your online activities.

It should be possible to ask for help or show vuneralbility online without telling anybody (or thing) absolutely everything about you every time.

this post was submitted on 16 May 2025
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