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[-] Thorry84@feddit.nl 158 points 2 weeks ago

I recently put in a lot of hours for a software system to be able to handle webp just as well as every other image format it already accepted. I put in a lot of work as well. Hadn't heard about it for a while, but saw the feature release statement for the new version I knew my changes were in. It wasn't on there. So I reached out to my contact and asked if there was an issue or did it get bumped to a later version or what? So she told me the marketing team that do the release statements decided not to include it. They stated for one, people already expect common formats to be handled. Saying you now handle a format looks bad, since people know you didn't handle it before and were behind the curve. The second (probably more important) reason was nobody knew what webp even was and it's only something technical people care about (they probably said nerds, but my contact translated). So no regular customer would be interested and it could only lead to confusion and questions.

I hope somebody is happy with the work I put in tho. Somebody is going to drag a webp into the system and have it be accepted. Someday.... I hope...

[-] _stranger_@lemmy.world 101 points 2 weeks ago
  1. Fuck those people for telling you this after you did the work
  2. Those reasons are hard-stop stupid. If they REALLY cared about the marketing they'd release it silently or add a "improvements to image format handling" line and leave it at that.
[-] Thorry84@feddit.nl 57 points 2 weeks ago

Maybe I worded it incorrectly. The feature was released in that version. They just didn't mention it in the release statement they put out to there customers. I'm sure there's some changelog somewhere people can dig into where it says something like what you mentioned. Or it can just be under "Various small improvements" which they always add as a catch-all.

So I'm happy, I did the job and got paid. Everyone I worked with was happy. And the feature got released. It's was just a let down it didn't get mentioned at all, even though I put quite a lot of work into it.

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[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago

I hope somebody is happy with the work I put in tho. Somebody is going to drag a webp into the system and have it be accepted.

And that was me! I mean, not with your software but with someone else's years ago. Still, in a weird anachronistic karma sort of way, thank you for caring.

[-] ftbd@feddit.org 15 points 2 weeks ago

The only ones reading the changelog are nerds anyway

[-] Emotional@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 weeks ago

I appreciate it! Thank you

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[-] yesman@lemmy.world 109 points 2 weeks ago

Just change the file extension to *.png. Works every time.

[-] sit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 2 weeks ago

surprised_pikachu.webp.png

[-] saltesc@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Wait till you find out what's inside when you change Office files from .***x to .zip

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[-] scsi@lemm.ee 81 points 2 weeks ago
[-] JudahBenHur@lemm.ee 18 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

i have a "save webp as" firefox extension that is good as well... sorry no link Im too busy

peace and love peace and love

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[-] Spaniard@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

It's beautiful, thank you.

[-] Olissipo@programming.dev 68 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I'm working on a project which generates images in multiples sizes, and also converts to WEBP and AVIF.

The difference in file size is significant. It might not matter to you, but it matters to a lot of people.

Here's an example (the filename is the width):

Also, using the <picture></picture> element, if the users' browsers don't support (or block) AVIF/WEBP, the original format is used. No harm in using them.

(I know this is a meme post, but some people are taking it seriously)

[-] JDPoZ@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago

I've mentioned this topic in regards to animated images, but don't see as big a reason to push for static formats due to the overall relatively limited benefits other than wider gamut and marginally smaller file size (percentage wise they are significant, but 2KB vs 200KB is paltry on even a terrible connection in the 2000s).

What I really wish is that we could get more browsers, sites, and apps to universally support more modern formats to replace the overly bloated terribly performing and never correctly pronounced animated formats like GIF with something else like AVIF, webm, webp (this was a roughly ~60MB GIF, and becomes a 1MB WEBP with better performance), or even something like APNG...

Besides wider gamut, and better performance, the sizes are actually significant on all but the fastest connections and save sites on both storage and bandwidth at significant scale compared to the mere KB of change that a static modern asset has.

This WEBP is only 800KB but only shows up on some server instances since not every Lemmy host supports embedding them :

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[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 weeks ago

But why webp over jxl

We already have the solution

[-] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Webp is supported in browsers. Jxl is not, unfortunately.

(Well, I have the Firefox extension for it, but most people can't see them...)

People should still use it tho, with the fallback of webp or avif

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[-] TwistyLex@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 weeks ago

Literally just today solved a problem of delivering analytics plots over our internal chat system. The file size limit is 28Kb and I was just getting ready to say screw it, can't be done.

Lo and behold our chat system that doesn't support svg does support webp. Even visually complicated charts come in just below the size limit with webp.

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[-] four@lemmy.zip 63 points 2 weeks ago
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[-] StarMerchant938@lemmy.world 57 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

As someone who sometimes needs a quick and dirty stock image for my work, webp is the bane of my existence. The work computers won't let me visit sites or install programs/extensions to convert the image, and my document processing programs have no fucking clue what to do with the format. There is an option in Microsoft edge to edit image, and it will dump the result as a .png which is the only workaround I've found.

[-] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 65 points 2 weeks ago
[-] randint@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 11 points 2 weeks ago

loled at how the name of the Chinese guy is just "generic Chinese name" put into Google Translate

[-] untorquer@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

They clearly hate printers, a safe assumption.

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[-] zqps@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 weeks ago

I run Firefox portable with the extension "Save webp as PNG or JPEG". It has a button to copy directly to clipboard in the format of your choice.

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[-] manxu@piefed.social 48 points 2 weeks ago

The funniest thing is that even some of Google's own products don't accept Webp, like Google Voice.

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[-] scholar@lemmy.world 47 points 2 weeks ago

.jxl is the better image format anyway

[-] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 2 weeks ago

I feel like jxl is supported even less than webp though

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 33 points 2 weeks ago

webp is completely supported by browsers I think now.

Websites still get weird about it.

JXL is supported by Safari and ummmmm mobile Safari.

[-] lengau@midwest.social 13 points 2 weeks ago

"Surely they must be exaggerating," I thought...

https://caniuse.com/jpegxl

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[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago

.jxl is still early. Webp is out for 14 years now and if support is missing its completely on the ineptitude of the client and nothing else.

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[-] MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 45 points 2 weeks ago

Stop trying to make .webp happen. It’s not going to happen.

[-] Lojcs@lemm.ee 39 points 2 weeks ago

Maybe we should try to make it happen harder

[-] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

They use it on their server side to save data, they don't give a rip if we don't use it. If they wanted us to use it, they'd have cancelled it already.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago
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[-] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 45 points 2 weeks ago

Just don't let Google kill JPEG XL.

[-] Fiona@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 2 weeks ago

webp is absofuckinglutely inferior to JPEG-XL and that one is where you actually have that problem. I’m literally providing an avif-fallback on my website, because otherwise pretty much no browser would support anything.

(Speaking of it, avif is also superior to webp.)

[-] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

I'll take ASCII art over webp.

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[-] samus12345@lemm.ee 19 points 2 weeks ago

"It works just like regular image formats, but it's fun."

[-] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 weeks ago

for my use cases of memes or a PowerPoint type thing once in a while for school. Literally any image format works for me. I don't care about quality (as long as it's not REALLY bad) and just want to get the image from Google to the PowerPoint, and somehow GOOGLES own image format fails to work for GOOGLES PowerPoint product.
I don't understand how you can not support your own format 10 years after it came out.

pro tip by the way, you can open it in Microsoft paint then "save as -> .PNG" to get Google slides/whatever to accept it.

(before someone recommends alternatives, im talking about use on a locked down school computer. I can't use alternative software that's better because they block images in WIKIPEDIA, no shot for using an actual foss software lmao)

[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

use on a locked down school computer.

Shift + Win + S

I'll bet they didn't disable that in Group Policy. Lasso that sumbitch right off your screen and then just paste it into whatever.

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[-] Rokin@lemm.ee 15 points 2 weeks ago

No webp for me, just because Google is pushig it and that is suspect.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

Lol it's like 10 years old at this point. Not sure they're pushing it anymore. I think files that are half the size sell themselves

[-] squid_slime@lemm.ee 12 points 2 weeks ago

Lemmy uses webp for profile pics.

[-] gleb@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

in my honest opinion, it’s a real shame that webp isn’t widely supported. it’s actually really great: it has awesome lossless compression, it’s so much smaller than a png while not losing any quality, it supports animation and loops, etc. it’s like jpg, png, and gif rolled into one format.

[-] skisnow@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 weeks ago

The giant jpeg square artefact on the side of Homer's head in the first frame undermines the message somewhat.

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[-] randamumaki@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 weeks ago

Now try to find somewhere which accepts apng or mng. I'll wait. ;)

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[-] phantomwise@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Wait am I the only one who actually likes WEBP and is cheering for JPEG to finally die ? 😭

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