I think at this point, the danger has crystallized pretty thoroughly. Even if you somehow stopped everything that was currently happening, I don’t really know why anybody would want to come here anymore for university. Getting a degree is already stressful enough without having to worry about whether or not the institution will legally be allowed to keep you enrolled for the entire duration of your program.
and the job markets in the us are pretty unstable as it is, especially lot of biotech is preferentially hiring H1B visa holders anyways over citizens, if you dont have a Doctorates.
the problems at the BS/MS level is the low amount of lab experience that is given to students, and universities make it very hard to get them in general.
“I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...
The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance” ― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark(1995)
Does it count as being in danger if it's the ultimate goal?
Of course. We have people in government who don't believe in germ theory. Education is extremely expensive, and if you don't pick a "Good" major, not only are you in debt, but shamed and mocked for it, since no one "forced" you to go. Jobs that require these degrees, even doctors, are not paying enough for people to live, study, and afford food. Why would you stay?
Also educated people tend to vocally disagree with fascists, so obviously fascists wants fewer of them around.
I am not going to miss the "pax" Americana, but it's sad seeing this and knowing that the world's total rate of scientific advancement will go down considerably for at least a decade.
Unironically I would be literally thrilled to contribute to this brain drain. I'd drop everything and get on a plane right this very second for a chance to do a PhD in literally any other country.
If anyone is looking to fill a electrical engineering PhD position literally anywhere but America then I'm ya boy.
Finland has tuition free PhD programs for nationals of any country, Germany and Netherlands offer paid research positions where you basically are a full time student and still a part time lecturer - working hours can be tough though, since you need to balance the two. If you have some modest savings, Malaysia has some excellent universities and very cheap tuition (I'm doing my phd here and pay about 10k USD for a 3 year program) and cost of living is very low.
Does Malaysia do their classes in English?
Yep, from highschool onwards the education system is fully in English. It's pretty much an exact copy of the British system from that point on, thanks to the colonial past.
Idiocracy had their time predictions wrong, it's already nearly there.
The most ludicrous part of Idiocracy is that the film makers thought the future it depicted would be 500 years away. Turns out, it was 20 years.
when the guy was in a deep statis, it did shows the progression starting almost immediately, and funny thing it had a AI basically managing the whole society in the future.
College educated skilled worker. I already left. I'm not looking back. Thanks Trump for making me realize how much the US was holding me back
If more of you cowards can run away that would be great. Make room for those that will fight, but please dont come back when we the people rip it all down.
You don't need to be in the USA to fight.
The fight was won by Russian troll farms operating in Iran. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/magazine/the-agency.html
And you're implying the people proudly turning their backs on the U.S. are going to do something to help the citizens of the U.S.?
Seems like twisted logic, to me.
TBH if the economy crashes HARD for the next 3.5 years that may help wean some MAGA away from their FOX/OAN/RT propaganda bubble
Idk, that's certainly an optimistic view of a very bad thing happening.
It isn't going to be just MAGA suffering, and if everyone with a brain leaves — there's no telling what kind of system will fill the void. I think it's unrealistic to assume these people will course correct on their own simply because bad things have happened to them.
Depends on what kinds of new narratives and role models they find to latch on to. They are currently in an information bubble created largely by Russia, China, and Iran. I'd love to see a liberal democratic media machine to counter Putin's Agency
Yes. I understand the desire for more bodies, but the world isn't black and white, and not everyone is able to fight.
To elaborate on my own situation, my demographics make me and my community VERY vulnerable to this administration. While the desire to help each other is there, resources are slim and everyone is struggling to sort out their own survival. A lot of the community is also disabled and reliant on others.
Now that I'm out of that, I actually have the capacity to offer support. I'm still very connected to everyone I know and love back home, but now I have the backing of a new community that is very understanding of the situation and able to offer resources. I personally can offer travel advice, a place to crash temporarily, and a safe landing to anyone who decides to follow suit. We also have established safe houses along the way. Since we made the decision to leave, my partner and I have received nothing but love and support from both communities.
Not everyone is a Fighter or a Paladin. Some are better at offering support from a distance.
What I mean is that, with any individual — you start with what you can control. Whatever that sphere of influence might be, your immediate surroundings make up a large part of what you're actually capable of influencing.
You can't fight a fire from 3000 miles away. I get that we're not all capable of running into a burning building, but you're severely overestimating (and underestimating, oddly enough — but in different directions) an individual's ability to affect real change.
More privilege on display from the elite in American society.
And also bragging about it. Gross.
Fucking bizarre take to lob at someone fleeing a country rapidly falling to fascism and ethnic cleansing.
It's not bizarre to shame someone for bragging about the ability to just up and leave to a country halfway across the world.
Most Americans do not have that kind of privilege. It must be nice.
It is, and I'm well aware of just how hard it is to be in my kind of position. I'm leaving very soon for a job overseas.
It took 12 years of college. It took massive debts that I spent a decade earning to pay off. It took a further 15 years of competing in academia to become a desirable candidate for the job. I'm taking a serious pay cut and spending the saving from a decade of work to make the move.
Its a privilege, but having come from a family that valued education, but had little money to help me, I kinda feel like I've earned it. Decades of effort on my part went into this.
You can be pissed all you want, but I've paid my dues and I'm spending them on a better and safer future for my children away from the US Banana Republic of Dumbfuckistan.
Ive paid my dues, fuck everyone else
Lol.
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