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[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 147 points 2 months ago

9/11 brought billions of money to the rich and was a good excuse to arm the government to better oppress the working class.

Covid was the same.

I dont see your problem. /s

What I'm trying to say is all of this is just a way to maximize power at the top, always has been.

Please join unions and vote left.

[-] amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 2 months ago

except most unions aren't doing shit for covid workplace safety. that doesn't mean unions are bad, just ignorant

[-] dojan@lemmy.world 61 points 2 months ago

Unions would do that if more people who cared about it joined unions and pushed for it. Unions only work if you're actively doing stuff in them. It's democracy, it only works so long as you partake.

[-] amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

OK, let's say I'm disabled and I wanna partake in said democracy. I show up to the union meeting and everyone is unmasked, there's no air filtration or ventilation. am I just supposed to put myself at risk of infection until the union members get their shit together? that might take months to years during which I can't afford to be repeatedly reinfected.

this is not hypothetical, I've been part of multiple leftist spaces where my only options are to leave or to put myself at risk of harassment when I hand everyone N95s because I'm being "pushy".

[-] dojan@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

Mm. You're describing someone very dear to me, because of whom I wear an n95 mask every day.

People you describe fight an uphill battle, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. They can ask for accommodations, but a lot of people won't meet them. Meetings can be held digitally, of course, and one can advocate for oneself digitally as well. In time they can hope to win allies, and with them also get advocates that are willing to help amplify their voice.

I'm sorry, but I don't have any good solutions. The world is neither kind or fair, the best we can hope for is to build communities with people that empathise and see us.

I wish you the very best.

[-] amino@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 months ago

I'm glad you understand, thanks for the reply.

I'm also glad you reached the point I wanted to make, that people like me become extremely cynical when unions are brought up as a solution because even with digital access we're still seen as second class members. they're not gonna invest as many resources in the digital meetings because there's no incentive to

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[-] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com 9 points 2 months ago

I agree. Regular unions arent my personal favorite either.

But that is why you can choose where to go and which union to join.

Try and join a base democratic union and watch your decisions be the only things that are done.

Our problem isnt that unions dont do our bidding. It is that we dont support those that do and that is by design. We're taught from a young age to not express our thoughts and wishes, to stay calm in the face of injustice. Of course people are angry and desperate.

I suggest you read about subversive groups and what is happening around the world in terms of turning these things around.

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[-] flandish@lemmy.world 70 points 2 months ago

a virus “hurt” and scared capitalists far more than some planes did; war is profit, pandemic is not.

[-] rocket_dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 2 months ago

Traumatic event > emotion > propagandized media response > wealth being funneled towards capitalists

Y'all need the get on the sigma grindset, when tragedy strikes, don't get sad, don't emotionally process, just figure out how you can use it to manipulate people and make money

/s

[-] flandish@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

pro tip: manufacture both tragedy and consent for the war in response! now we’re cookin’ with gas!

[-] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The pandemic frightened the status quo because for the first time in decades the working masses were forced to pause their grind and consider how we live. And the vast majority of people realized they absolutely hate it.

Which is why "the money" immediately began pushing to crack the whip ASAP to get people back in line, back producing surplus value, and back focused only on the myopic necessities of now.

The pandemic should have been a watershed moment for Labor, and maybe it was- but the Trump administration is actively imploding the economy on all sides now, so there's very little hope for economic upturn in the next few years. We are in a dark time.

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[-] stebo02@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 months ago

that can't be true since then they'd do more to prevent future pandemics no?

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[-] princessaine@lemm.ee 51 points 2 months ago

the fact that a post like this still has people in the comments acting like COVID is in the past and 1k ppl in the US alone aren't dying of it every week. COVID literally hasn't gone anywhere all of you have just closed your eyes to the consequences of your actions.

[-] detun3d@lemm.ee 10 points 2 months ago

I'm reading posts as yours thankful to still find some people with common sense. I lost friends to covid while others kept ranting about nonsensical conspiracy theories and proudly rebelling. One of the dumbest shit I've heard people say is "Why should I wear a mask for covid if I don't wear one for flu?". Well, if you actually gave a damn about anyone's wellbeing you'd wear a mask for BOTH.

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[-] PunnyName@lemmy.world 44 points 2 months ago

Brown people are scarier than an invisible virus.

[-] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 35 points 2 months ago

The 9/11 attacks were a reason to send troops to the middle east. COVID was not.

[-] PineRune@lemmy.world 42 points 2 months ago

~~reason~~ excuse to send troops to the Middle East.

[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 17 points 2 months ago

Even worse, the attackers were from the Middle East, but the US sent troops into Asia, to Afghanistan.

[-] Zorque@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago

The 9/11 attacks were a reason to send troops to the middle east.

And roll back personal freedoms, which contrasts greatly with the hub-bub so many people made about their "personal freedom" to cough all over people without consequence.

[-] drolex@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 months ago

Missed opportunity to start a total war on the pangolins (or bats or whatever it was)

[-] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago

I'm joining the war on bats.

On the side of drugs.

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[-] FollyDolly@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago

911 = never forget Covid = die for the economy Trump 2nd Term = who cares about the economy anyway?

I think I have whiplash at this piont.

[-] Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 months ago

Owner class don't care if you, some peasant, dies. It's their control getting threatened that gets them motivated.

[-] Zink@programming.dev 10 points 2 months ago

And besides, the air filters at your kids’ private academy are better than the hospitals the poors use, never mind the public schools!

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's like that with everything. If a catastrophe can be capitalized, it will. 911 was extremely profitable for the MIC, imperialism, etc. Covid was only profitable to big pharma. The state values global violence far more than the health of any population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_model

[-] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago

Except if other capital interests stand in the way of a new market.

Clean energy is extremely lucrative, but dirty energy still has money.

[-] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Plenty of other sectors profited also from covid, an excuse to make everything more expensive and never cheaper when it ends.
Same with that ship that blocked the Suez Canal for a short time.

[-] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 2 months ago

There's a vocal subset of people here who like to act as if Covid is still the same threat it was five years ago. The pandemic is over, because Covid is endemic now. It just always is there. Like the common flu was before Covid. And the Covid variants these days are very much on a similar level to the flu. Trying to build some conspiratorial narrative out of that makes you sound insane.

[-] wabasso@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 months ago

Upvoting you because I agree that some voices need to process the shift to endemic.

But I also agree with the tweet that low cost systematic changes should still be underway to lower overall viral burden, or soften the blow of the next pandemic.

I don’t know if HEPA filters in public institutions is actually effective, so I suppose the argument hinges on that; is there actually low hanging fruit like that?

[-] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 2 months ago

Oh, I agree with that too! That should just be a normal thing, enabling kids to still learn together with their peers. I was so damn glad when the restrictions were lifted, because I saw the awful effect social segregation was having on my kids. For offices, remote work should be a right for any job where it's possible and not something out feudal lords have to grant.

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[-] echodot@feddit.uk 7 points 2 months ago

And the Covid variants these days are very much on a similar level to the flu.

They're not. Many of the variants that exist now last for weeks. I don't know of any flu symptoms that don't go way basically on their own within a week or so.

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[-] riquisimo@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

I see the point but I do want to remind the infrequent fliers that you can bring nail clippers on planes now, and you've been able to for a long time.

Family occasionally visits and asks if they can borrow clippers when they arrive and im like "sure, but you can just bring your own." Like what, are you going to hijack a plane with toe nail clippers!?

[-] modus@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

If someone can hijack a plane with nail clippers, they can do it without the nail clippers.

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[-] kopasz7@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago

Last time I've flown with my swiss army knife. They checked the blade length at the metal gates, all ok.

[-] Lesrid@lemm.ee 11 points 2 months ago

I accidentally brought wire cutters in my carry on before boarding a flight in Florida. They measured the blade length and laughed and let me through, after I immediately told them they could throw them away. Then during my trip I forgot all about them. When I went to board my return flight the person immediately confiscated them.

[-] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I have this thing called a Utili-Key which is a little multi-tool and knife that folds up into a key shape that goes on your keyring. I've flown with it multiple times without TSA noticing, but I had to get rid of it when I went to see a Philadelphia 76ers game. Nothing could be more TSA than a fucking basketball game being more secure than a flight.

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

How'd you get rid of it for the game, while still having it now?

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[-] echodot@feddit.uk 4 points 2 months ago

Do they still yell at you to take your shoes off, unless you have taken your shoes off in which case they yell at you because you took your shoes off, because today on this particular flight right now, they don't want you to take your shoes off. Tomorrow who knows.

I wouldn't mind so much but they're also obnoxious.

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[-] morphballganon@lemmynsfw.com 10 points 2 months ago

Airport strip searches allow oppression of the people by the government.

Mask mandates do not.

[-] slothrop@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 months ago

Don't forget to remove your shoes before being allowed to the boarding area.

[-] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 8 points 2 months ago

The difference between security measures and medical measures: the lack of the latter kills peasants, the presence of the former suppresses them. Win-win, if you a wealthy ghoul who thinks the poors are filthy takers.

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 7 points 2 months ago

Seems like the shared trait is "what's good for the ownership class, in the most selfish short term sense?"

[-] jsomae@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago

3k people died in 9/11 in the USA. 1 million people died of covid in the USA. But what people are outraged about is civil liberties. ("The other COVID reckoning" by Scott Alexander.)

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