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President Donald Trump's administration is pushing a "deliberate destruction of education, science, and history," wrote Adam Serwer in a scathing analysis for The Atlantic published on Tuesday — and it recalls the "Dark Ages" that followed the fall of the Roman Empire.

"Every week brings fresh examples," wrote Serwer. For instance, Trump "is threatening colleges and universities with the loss of federal funding if they do not submit to its demands, or even if they do. The engines of American scientific inquiry and ingenuity, such as the National Science Foundation and the National Institutes of Health, are under sustained attack. Historical institutions such as the Smithsonian and artistic ones like the Kennedy Center are being converted into homes for MAGA ideology rather than historical fact and free expression."

One of the most prominent of these attacks is on Harvard University, which the administration today announced will have all its remaining grants canceled, he said. That matter is currently the focus of legal action as Harvard fights back, but it's just the tip of the iceberg.

This purge is already snuffing out free thought across the country, wrote Serwer: "Libraries are losing funding, government-employed scientists are being dismissed from their jobs, educators are being cowed into silence, and researchers are being warned not to broach forbidden subjects. Entire databases of public-health information collected over decades are at risk of vanishing. Any facts that contradict the gospel of Trumpism are treated as heretical."

The result of all this will be to "undermine Americans’ ability to comprehend the world around us," he warned. "Like the inquisitors of old, who persecuted Galileo for daring to notice that the sun did not, in fact, revolve around the Earth, they believe that truth-seeking imperils their hold on power."

And the harm done to America's ability to conduct basic research to improve our lives and advance technology is hard for lay people to comprehend, he continued.

While private companies do a lot of innovation themselves, he continued, "the research that leads to that invention tends to be a costly gamble — for this reason, the government often takes on the initial risk that private firms cannot." For instance, "commercial flight, radar, microchips, spaceflight, advanced prosthetics, lactose-free milk, MRI machines — the list of government-supported research triumphs is practically endless." And even when private companies do their own research, it takes a back seat to profit — after all, "Exxon Mobil knew climate change was real decades ago, and nevertheless used its influence to raise doubt about findings it knew were accurate."

As the Trump administration burns down America's capabilities in the pursuit of destroying "forbidden ideas," Serwer concluded, history could be on track for a grim repeat: it "will dramatically impair the ability to solve problems, prevent disease, design policy, inform the public, and make technological advancements. Like the catastrophic loss of knowledge in Western Europe that followed the fall of Rome, it is a self-inflicted calamity. All that matters to Trumpists is that they can reign unchallenged over the ruins." 1.7K Comments / 1K

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[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 112 points 2 weeks ago

and it recalls the “Dark Ages” that followed the fall of the Roman Empire

This is unfair to the Romans. They struggled through multiple economic and migratory/military crises to keep their state alive and saved it from destruction several times before entropy finally took its course. Even after Rome "fell", people maintained the appearance of continuity. What they did not do at any time is deliberately take a hammer to everything. Trump is much more like Pol Pot than Odoacer.

[-] SGGeorwell@lemmy.world 33 points 2 weeks ago

Holy shit you’re right. He is like Pol Pot.

[-] eightpix@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Please keep in mind that America backed Pol Pot as the head of state through that 1975 to 1979 genocide and for over a decade after.

[-] Soulg@ani.social 10 points 2 weeks ago

Cool history lesson, but why is that related to what's currently happening?

[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 weeks ago

that they love to committ war crimes in the name of ideological victories seems pretty relevant

[-] eightpix@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

I agree with funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works. Running cover for despotic regimes seems to be a pattern that 20th and 21st century American history is shot full of.

[-] flandish@lemmy.world 40 points 2 weeks ago

while it is important to stress how terrible trump is making these times, and how much a fascist he is, please know that the “dark ages” were not in fact “dark” at all. there was a whole swath of Asian, African, and Islamic technology, art, and culture that was blooming.

[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 25 points 2 weeks ago

Even Europe had important discoveries and inventions through that time, like the windmill.

The whole Dark Ages schtick was made up by Enlightenment people to make them feel better about themselves.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

The whole Dark Ages schtick was made up by Enlightenment people to make them feel better about themselves.

It's much more than that.

[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago

Ehhh, it’s more about the number of surviving records.

It’s dark to us relative to how long ago it was. We still know much more about it than ancient history.

But one thing that definitely did happen during the dark ages and lasted until the renaissance is looking back at the past and feeling a fall from grace.

Shit we already feel than comparing today to 1999 (when civilization peaked according to The Matrix).

[-] flandish@lemmy.world -4 points 2 weeks ago

i tend to think it was made up to “label” or “blame” the times white people struggled, so as to not recognize the “struggle” was actually just bog standard racism, colonial collapse, and a transition away from feudalism.

[-] AizawaC47@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago

You know …as we enter into the “dark ages” I am fascinated by what the outcome is for the rest of the countries within the progression and advancement of technology. I am curious to see the infrastructure, education, AI, ecosystem, biology under the medical aspect. I am sure all of the countries would bypass us with years in advancement regarding society. Because America is now entering a 4th world country dragged back into 1800 century fighting its way to the light through the dark ages. We would be too poor to even steal or try to infiltrate, (example Gaza, Palestine, Afghanistan, and several countries) that we have literally destroyed and put them back into 3rd world impoverished countries. So I am very curious to see how other countries progress when we have destroyed ourselves from within, like a cancer eating parasites that this country is. Just look at China, look at Japan, Saudi Arabia, SK, Asian countries, Africa, and several countries that has just sped through years in advancements of infrastructure, technology, cars, roads, education, Medicare/healthcare and practically everything.

I am well aware that countries has it’s faults as well, every country does…but if we compare countries to US…I think the writing on the wall is there, we are headed for some real bad times, and I am not the least bit surprised. We are spiraling into a 4th world country that is so impoverished, destitute, and appalling. Remember those commercials that used to show up of African babies, “You can save this child by donating so so a month to feed and clothe.” That’s gonna be us very soon with other countries advertisement on their tv, showing us Americans starving to death on the dilapidated roads and buildings looking like we just got out of World War One. But hey….that’s just my theory and speculations…take it with a grain of salt. We truly never know what the future holds..but I mean…I don’t know…it looks like we are though.

[-] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 35 points 2 weeks ago

people are still business as usual as if nothing's happening, and will continue to do when the papers please checkpoints pop up, the curfews, the martial law--it's depressing

[-] TachyonTele@lemm.ee -2 points 2 weeks ago

What are you doing about it?

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 29 points 2 weeks ago

The only surprising thing is that the headline isn't an actual Trump quote.

[-] Hayduke@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

I thought the same thing initially, but then I considered how accurate the statement was.

[-] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Misleading titles all around and we wonder why media literacy is through the fucking ground.

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Pretty sure reading that title and thinking it's implying something that it doesn't is the actual failure of media literacy.

[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 13 points 2 weeks ago

I grew up with Reagan and Thatcher on the telly and there was always something bestial beneath the surface layer of civility. Maybe Trump merely shed the pretence.

[-] zqps@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 weeks ago

Sure did.

As much as Trump may make us yearn for the return of civility, let's never forget it was never more than a blanket laid over oppression, exploitation, and dehumanization.

[-] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 9 points 2 weeks ago

He just wants everyone to see the world the same way he does.

[-] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

As a giant piggy bank?

[-] throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago

Can we Order 65 this traitor before he Order 66 us?

[-] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 5 points 2 weeks ago

Historia Civilis has a series of videos covering Rome. In the one below, Rome has descended into conflict between political gangs. I am personally expecting something similar to go down in the US within a couple years.

Nobody's Year: CHAOS (57 B.C.E.)

[-] aceshigh@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Tbh I’m too chicken shit to read up on Rome.

[-] figjam@midwest.social 5 points 2 weeks ago

Anyone with eyes was hip to this 6 months ago at the latest. Some media dude writing it up changes nothing. This isn't a revelation.

[-] selkiesidhe@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago

What happened to traitors back in the Dark Ages? Asking for 8 billion friends...

[-] laranis@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 weeks ago

Alternate title: "The Atlantic publishes a story about MAGA that everyone with a brain knew for at least eight years."

Welcome to the party.

To be fair, The Atlantic has been much better at addressing these issues than the rest of MSM, but still not far enough.

[-] asg101@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago

I have decided to go all "glass half full" and enjoy the fact that tRump has done more to destroy the US Empire than any outside adversaries have ever been able to do in its entire putrid existence. The world will be much better when the genocidal slave-owning oligarchy tears itself apart.

[-] bunkyprewster@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago
[-] WolfmanEightySix@piefed.social 2 points 2 weeks ago

Half of these things aren’t even entirely USAian inventions.

[-] Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago

What sort of world is this where the leader of a country can get up and more or less say "I'm going to ruin everything and send citizens to a foreign prison without trial" and they're allowed to carry on

[-] mostNONheinous@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

This one, quite literally. This is not new for humanity even in the slightest.

[-] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 weeks ago

and here again i find myself unsure of what to say in the face of something i've been warning against for years

[-] OldManBOMBIN@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

I'm almost at the point of pulling up a lawn chair, cracking open a beer, and wearing a shirt that says "Told ya so" while I waste away in the sun.

[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 weeks ago

He seriously thinks US and the Roman empire are comparable?

[-] itisileclerk@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

Trump was needed. It is time USA influence to be reduced to acceptable level. Most likely USA will be devided to 2-3 parts and that is the best scanario for the world.

[-] Ghosthacked@lemm.ee 0 points 2 weeks ago

I wonder if Romans were as arrogant as Americans before their fall

[-] itisileclerk@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

They must have been. The problem is that after the fall of great empire, there is a "dark age" untill things settle down. The question is how long after the fall of USA world will be in "transition".

[-] Ghosthacked@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

I don't think that will be the case. China has been filling the gaps pretty well in the absence of the US.

Instead of military imperialism, China's just going to conquer the world with its wallet.

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 weeks ago

It’s too late for America. You can’t save a country when half of its citizens want to burn it to the ground.

The best outcome is the left reorients and rebuilds systems independent from the federal government, either by focusing on the state and local level or through interstate compacts.

[-] BoycottPro@lemm.ee 0 points 2 weeks ago

I'm sorry but I disagree, I think we can make it through. It's not going to be easy but if we unite and fight together we can stop this madness. If we split up it's going to screw all the Democrats and normal people who are stuck living in red states for reasons such as can't afford to move.

[-] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

What is the basis of your disagreement? I have hoped for this outcome for my entire adult life but things have only gotten worse and more hateful during that time. There simply is no interest from the right and even much of the center to fight against this. It’s time to let go and realize we can’t save everyone. If they want to fight for local autonomy we can support them. If they want to flee we can welcome them.

But what we can’t do is continue down the same path of the last 15 years. We can’t have a national government that 50% of the time wants to continue the status quo and 50% of the time wants to go on a violent rampage against itself and the people of this country. That just can’t work, and I don’t see a path to a place where it can. We need to build something new for the people who haven’t lost their minds as best we can and let the lunatics self-destruct if that’s what they want to do.

[-] Awesomo85@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 weeks ago

Things have gotten worse on the internet.

There is an entire population of people that don't live perpetually online.....you know? The place that gives a platform to the loudest most annoying people?

Whatever. I really only ever comment because sometimes I like writing.

Live in your pretend land.

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