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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/no-one-saw-coming-kevin-133000274.html

“No one saw this coming,” entrepreneur Kevin O’Leary said in a recent interview with Larry Kudlow of Fox Business. And O’Leary believes the issue will manifest itself in the regional banking sector. “These banks are going to fail,” he said, “because up to 40% of their portfolios … are in commercial real estate.”

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[-] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 64 points 1 year ago

Office buildings should learn to code

[-] Rojo27@hexbear.net 61 points 1 year ago

Won't anyone think of corporate real estate and banks ooooooooooooooh

[-] SuperZutsuki@hexbear.net 44 points 1 year ago

Okay, I just did

sit-back-and-enjoy

[-] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 58 points 1 year ago

Sowing: "I deserve profits because investments are risky"

Reaping: "well fuck, what the fuck, this fucking sucks"

[-] Blapoo@lemmy.ml 47 points 1 year ago

Oh no! Not commercial real estate!

Anyways

[-] RION@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago

Looks like somebody needs to learn how to diversify their investments 🙄

[-] TerminalEncounter@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago

In the town I live in now, there's a glut of empty commercial real estate that's been a problem BEFORE covid. Do you think this would be enough to convince people to lower commercial rent? Nope, they increased rent and just let the buildings stand empty 🙄 Has this convinced people to stop building more commercial real estate? Nope, they even filled a patch of local wetland (maybe a few acres that also had the railroad running through it, it's been fucked for a while after residential filled in a lot of it anyway).

It feels like the current generation of the local gentry learned from their petite bourgeois dads that the way to make it and keep things stable is to invest in commercial real estate and so they decided to do that absent any evidence or forethought.

[-] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

If you just leave it standing empty, you can write the losses off and avoid paying taxes on all the other money you're stealing from workers.

[-] invalidusernamelol@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

And they always write off losses as unpaid rent instead of maintenance costs

[-] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

market is unpredictable oh noes who woulda thunk.

these people claim to love taking risk but the moment they lose anything they start whining.

[-] Rojo27@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And blame others for it as well. Like wow, people don't like working in offices? Its all the fault of the workers that dont want to go back? Well it sounds like you've just got a demand problem bucko.

[-] GarfieldYaoi@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And what's that? Some people who haven't got their start yet WANT to work for you in the office? Better tell them no because we are so infuriatingly picky for whatever reason. Come on, there's gotta be one guy who has years of experience willing to work for less than what he's worth for the privilege of working for us. Right?

[-] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago

Also isn't O'Leary one of those guys that got lucky once and has been undeperforming the rest of the market for the past 30 years? Idk if he's a good source for any sort of analysis lol

[-] Tomboys_are_Cute@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

The secret is no one can do better than the market but you've basically got him down

[-] fox@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

He sold a shitty edutainment software company to Hasbro or something and he's been cruising ever since. Sometimes literally like when he murdered someone by cruising his boat over theirs.

[-] teft@startrek.website 30 points 1 year ago

“No one saw this coming,”

No one over the age of 45 you mean. The rest of us who grew up with computers realized a long time ago that the world was headed this direction. Not our fault you put blinders over your eyes.

[-] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago

it occurs to me how dishonest the phrase "no one saw this coming" is when deployed by capitalists. you know what? a whole shitload of people see every consequence of US political economy coming. alienation, class tension-political violence, environmental degradation, public health crises, market concentration/monopoly, and in this case: economic instability. instability is the defining feature of the capitalist mode of production.

millions of us are going about our lives witnessing the emergence of thousands of problems. under the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, workers, the great masses of us, lack the institutional power to prevent them short of organized work stoppages to get the attention and force the hand of those who do have the power, but literally cannot be bothered to do anything but protect the profits of the already wealthy.

so. no kevin. you didn't see this coming. because you are a fucking idiot operating with only the most narrow ideological frame in the history of human civilization. no one should consult you for anything more complex than making toast, you fucking fetus.

[-] Kuori@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

wish the government gave me a billion taxpayer dollars every time i made a bad gamble sicko-wistful

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 year ago
[-] Kuori@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

shit, i'd settle for an unbent nickel at this point

nobody wants to subsidize my terrible decisions at all and it's complete bullshit!

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago

Just need to find those horrible people and make connections /s

[-] SerLava@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

God, imagine the incredibly cheap office space you'll be able to rent out if it really does collapse. Yes I think I will have a 2000 square foot former insurance brokerage to use as an art studio for 200 dollars a month split between 2 buddies

Living spaces as well, sometimes, but many buildings won't work for that.

[-] Beaver@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

I wonder how many times over we could house every person without a home in idle commercial real estate?

[-] Dessa@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

For 200 a month, I will find a way to make that a living space if it means I have to shit in a bucket

[-] Phish@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

With the money you save in rent you could buy a pretty sweet composting toilet

[-] GarfieldYaoi@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

porky-scared-flipped: "Whoa whoa whoa.....WHOA! Di....did you just suggest living on your own SHOULD be something that's NOT a luxury for the rich!?!? Why do you hate freedom? You're gonna live in the suburb forever, and YOU'RE GONNA LIKE IT!"

[-] DefinitelyNotAPhone@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

It's almost as if having a massive chunk of your 'economy' be built around FIRE makes it super unstable and liable to collapse any time structural pressures are applied to it thonk

My only regret is having to deal with bosses desperately trying to get people back into the office to try and stave off the inevitable collapse of commercial real estate and that these buildings by and large can't be converted into cheap housing when it does become worth nothing.

[-] kozy138@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago

Office spaces are already getting converted into living spaces and other commodities. The banks will just be gobbled up by bigger banks, as is tradition...

[-] Tomboys_are_Cute@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

Maybe don't have the plurality of your country's economy be in real estate. I dunno, I didn't go to Rotman or anything but that seems pretty straightforward to me

[-] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

Ya know, I might be willing to go to prison over this guy. Not gonna go out of my way for him, but I'm surprised this fuck hasn't been shoved into traffic already.

[-] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

I told my dad about this entire phenomenon like 5 years ago. He proceeded to disagree. His understanding of economics is better than that "kitchen table" bullshit but it's ultimately still liberal and not Marxian at all. He probably couldn't tell you the name Keynes but that's generally how he feels. He's a well meaning liberal that thinks reaganomics sucks and libertarians should be laughed out of the room so I haven't given up on him yet.

But still, lol, dad.

[-] edge@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Getting a talking to from HR tomorrow, probably about me not returning to office despite being required to lol.

[-] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

fuckin assholes. good luck comrade.

[-] edge@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

lol I've basically been waiting to be fired. My work output hasn't been amazing either.

So what you’re saying is that a system which simultaneous requires stability and thrives on instability might itself be prone to inexplicably regular widespread failure?

[-] Blastasaurus@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago

Do what Calgary is doing and convert it into residential.

[-] Tomboys_are_Cute@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

I don't mean to be facetious but how is that going? Office buildings basically need to be completely gutted and rebuilt for that to work because of the plumbing and window minimums for residential living (and floor weights too, home furniture is much heavier than office furniture). Have they dropped the standard or are companies actually putting down the money for it?

[-] sawne128@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

My man looking like he’s about to tell you the front fell off.

[-] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

So when these banks fail because of failed property investments, then what? Another financial crash? Full repeat of 2008?

[-] Wrongleverkrunk@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago
[-] Fredward@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

I was full-time wfh before the pandemic and I'm simply not going back to the office.

[-] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

They’ll just bail them out lol who are we kidding

[-] invalidusernamelol@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

Not regional banks, they'll allow them to be swallowed by JP Morgan, and Wells Fargo

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